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happyslug

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50. Neither was the Moslem Brotherhood.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 10:28 PM
Sep 2013

I have read over and over again that the Moslem Brotherhood was going to impose its version of religion on Egypt. Now, that is true to a degree, Egypt being a Sunni country, all Islamic Mosques's Imans are picked by the President of Egypt, thus Mursi was going to replace any Iman who retired or died with his appointees, just like the Egyptian Military did when they ruled Egypt.

The problem is that is TRADITIONAL POWER OF THE RULER OF A SUNNI MOSLEM STATE. No one else can do it. Thus saying Mursi and the Moslem Brotherhood was going to "Take over the Religion of Egypt" would be the same as "Obama will take over the Justice Department when he becomes President" It is a RIGHT inherent in being the leader of a Sunni Moslem State, as is Egypt.

Under Coptic Rules, the President of Egypt also gets to select the leader of the Coptic Church, as the leaders of Egypt has done since the days of Constantine. When Persian took Egypt around 600 AD, Persia picked the leader of the Coptic Church. When Egypt was returned to Rule by the Eastern Roman Empire, the Emperor of Constantinople had the rights, and when Egypt was lost to the Arab Conquest, that right reverted to the Moslem Rulers of Egypt.

This was the claim that the Moslem Brotherhood was going to take over the Various religions of Egypt, for that has been the power of the ruler of Egypt since Constantine (and some indication Roman Emperors had appointed the Pagan Priests of the old Egyptian Religion, thus you can claim naming the religious leader so Egypt goes back to the days of the Pharaohs.

Sorry, such control over the leaders of the Religions of Egypt is a traditional power of the Leader of Egypt, and one of the power the Military wanted to retain.

Furthermore, since 1948, following Gandhi's lead in India, the Moslem Brotherhood has denounced violence. Thus how can you "FORCE" someone, when you refuse to use "Force"? This can be seen is the various protests against the coup, it is the ARMY and POLICE that revert to Violence NOT the protesters.

Lets be honest, what the Military feared was Mursi and the Brotherhood were planning to cut out the benefits of being a General, i.e. the right to be independent of Civilian Control, even to spending money (and diverting that money to their own pockets). Every power Mursi claimed, so do the present leaders of Egypt. The issue is NOT those powers, but WHO can use them against WHOM. The Generals do NOT want them to be used against THEM. The poor of Egypt wants the Moslem Brotherhood to use those powers AGAINST THE MILITARY HIERARCHY. Thus the Coup and the suppression of the Moslem Brotherhood.

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Seems ok since it wasn't a Coup after all JCMach1 Aug 2013 #1
++1,000. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #2
They're trying to box clever dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #3
"Legally?" Scootaloo Aug 2013 #4
Hasn't that been done before? another_liberal Aug 2013 #5
This thing is getting RiverNoord Aug 2013 #6
Anti-Morsi youth groups . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #8
You keep comparing John2 Aug 2013 #11
Actually, try educating your children the way you want even in some states. Igel Aug 2013 #17
I'll be honest. As a woman, I find it impossible to see the fundamentalist "point of view" MH1 Aug 2013 #30
How about the women among those who were trapped in the Mosque? another_liberal Aug 2013 #31
You're talking about two different things leftynyc Aug 2013 #34
once again what about the women who were killed for supporting MB? azurnoir Aug 2013 #35
I mourn ALL the people killed, leftynyc Aug 2013 #44
Ah so you deem yourself the one knowing what Egyptian women what? azurnoir Aug 2013 #45
Spare me leftynyc Aug 2013 #47
I support democracy and leaders who are chosen by the ballot box. another_liberal Aug 2013 #41
I am sorry to see any violence perpetrated on anyone MH1 Aug 2013 #39
Guilt by association is a pretty awful reason to condemn innocent people. another_liberal Aug 2013 #42
Nice excuse for mass murder. And way to deny those Egyptian women any agency whatsoever. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #49
You don't have to be sorry at all. Less than ten percent of the country supports them. MADem Aug 2013 #36
Unsound reasoning dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #37
There were no shortage of candidates, but even at that, there was little turnout. MADem Aug 2013 #38
Yes, many women and most LGBT's don't see the fundamentalist POV. Zorra Aug 2013 #46
The vast majority of Egyptians . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #29
There are many shades of Islam, just as there are of Christianity MH1 Aug 2013 #40
Neither was the Moslem Brotherhood. happyslug Sep 2013 #50
I don't know if they were used in the sense that the military pushed them to protest karynnj Aug 2013 #14
I did not mean to say the Morsi government was illegal. Far from it! another_liberal Aug 2013 #28
I'm sorry - it is my really bad usage of "you" in the last paragraph that made it sound like that karynnj Aug 2013 #33
You claim it John2 Aug 2013 #13
Gotcha. Igel Aug 2013 #18
You got John2 Aug 2013 #24
Um... dude - you don't have a clue. RiverNoord Sep 2013 #48
Wonder where they got an idea like that! ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #7
Where was Al Qaeda John2 Aug 2013 #12
"Where was Al Qaeda" before the USA invaded? NOT in Iraq. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #16
It is because John2 Aug 2013 #26
Yes and no. Igel Aug 2013 #21
Yet another Middle Eastern country East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #9
Yup. Igel Aug 2013 #22
Right now sounds good to the Copts. jessie04 Aug 2013 #10
It would be a prelude. Igel Aug 2013 #27
Egyptian youth leader backs army in battle with Brotherhood Bosonic Aug 2013 #15
Here are your "liberal" friends of democracy. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #19
Again: "In Egypt, the liberals aren't democrats and the democrats aren't liberals." Igel Aug 2013 #25
We all know this is not going to end well. n/t Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #20
That'll stop Egypt's poor from wanting to vote! /nt Ash_F Aug 2013 #23
Good luck with that! elleng Aug 2013 #32
Muslim Brotherhood has been in existence since 1928. Good Luck with the dissolution. no_hypocrisy Aug 2013 #43
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