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hughee99

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30. I believe they're talking about leaving CA, not the US.

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:22 AM

Sep 2013

The military that protects us is federal, and isn't impacted by whether they're part of CA, Oregon, or their own state.

As far as power goes, California doesn't generate enough power and has to import about 25% of it. Why should this county importing power be a huge issue. They can import food just like many other states do. I don't believe there's any rule that says a state has to be self-sufficient, and no state is. They will sell what they have (which if I understand, is a lot of water that CA needs) and buy what they need.

I'm not siding with them on this (I think it's pretty dumb), but you're really working over the sour grapes here.

$500 to cross the border? I'm pretty sure charging for a state-to-state border crossing is illegal under the interstate commerce act, which incidentally is the same thing they used to get the ACA passed (which is where they'll get their health care, if necessary)

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UPDATED: Siskiyou County supervisors vote to pursue seceding from state [View all] Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 OP

better solution: move to Alabama ZRT2209 Sep 2013 #1

+2 n/t jaysunb Sep 2013 #2

Somalia,,,, nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #5

Never happen Iliyah Sep 2013 #3

Hey! truebluegreen Sep 2013 #4

I thought we settle this 150 years ago? nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #6

The question is about creating a new state, which is constitutional and subject to the following... PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #60

Which raises the question as to the constitutionality of West Virginia seceding from pampango Sep 2013 #115

Here is what Abraham Lincoln had to say about that question. onenote Sep 2013 #116

Very interesting. Thanks for posting, onenote. n/t pampango Sep 2013 #118

meh. it's almost a yearly event somewhere or other in California struggle4progress Sep 2013 #117

Don't let the door hit ya,where the good lord split ya! Rain Mcloud Sep 2013 #7

Great idea, please do so. That will be $500 to cross the road into the rest of the state. jtuck004 Sep 2013 #8

Excuse me? moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #10

"$500 to cross the border? " greiner3 Sep 2013 #19

Their water? Without the efforts of a lot of other people, and the people who came before them, I jtuck004 Sep 2013 #25

I believe they're talking about leaving CA, not the US. hughee99 Sep 2013 #30

EXACTLY moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #33

Lot of people here joke around ...sorta' tongue in cheek. BlueJazz Sep 2013 #73

Whose water? I assume you are referring to the tribes and fish and wildlife? CreekDog Sep 2013 #49

That water is a public resource that belongs to all the people of CA, kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #84

+1 Jamaal510 Sep 2013 #99

Yeah, but I can see where it could be frustrating primavera Sep 2013 #119

They'd get tired of paying their own way in a real hurry DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #90

Funny you talk about generating electricity. former9thward Sep 2013 #93

I think anyone who thinks they are an island should feel free to jtuck004 Sep 2013 #95

they have a valid grievance Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #111

A state with one tenth the population of Wyoming. Pab Sungenis Sep 2013 #9

This isn't even THAT conservative of a county. David__77 Sep 2013 #11

wow again moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #34

I'm not claiming that all secessionists are racist yahoos, just most of them. David__77 Sep 2013 #36

Southern Oregon - Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #41

do the Native Americans in that area want to spllit from California? CreekDog Sep 2013 #53

Is this that State of Jefferson nonsense again? SwankyXomb Sep 2013 #12

yup mulsh Sep 2013 #13

Funny enough davidpdx Sep 2013 #23

State of Jefferson Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #14

I think they should go for it. Why not? suede1 Sep 2013 #15

At 2 senators per state maxsolomon Sep 2013 #29

God forbid moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #35

In waht way do you claim that 2 senators for a small rural area would be 'equal representation'? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #40

Population of Rhode Island: 1.05 million. bunnies Sep 2013 #45

You don't fix a problem by making it worse muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #47

I dont see every state having two Senators a problem. bunnies Sep 2013 #48

really? WY has 576K people. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #51

Any WY has 1 house rep while CA has 53. bunnies Sep 2013 #56

do you not understand that the senate has power? maxsolomon Sep 2013 #63

I understand what the Constitution says. bunnies Sep 2013 #77

you just said you didn't say it was fair CreekDog Sep 2013 #75

The Senate was set up that way... bunnies Sep 2013 #76

and that makes it right how? CreekDog Sep 2013 #78

It simply makes it the way it is. nt bunnies Sep 2013 #79

then what are you arguing, not to change the Senate? CreekDog Sep 2013 #80

I never said it would be a decent idea to change OR & CA. bunnies Sep 2013 #81

lol ok, after all that, we agree on that part at least CreekDog Sep 2013 #82

:) bunnies Sep 2013 #85

:) CreekDog Sep 2013 #89

right and your state has two Senators CreekDog Sep 2013 #55

What? bunnies Sep 2013 #59

i was responding to the idea that Siskiyou and surrounding areas get their own Senators CreekDog Sep 2013 #64

I was simply pointing out that... bunnies Sep 2013 #69

is the Senate democratically allocated or not? CreekDog Sep 2013 #71

Never said it was. nt bunnies Sep 2013 #72

We are a republic not a democracy. former9thward Sep 2013 #94

Why would these particular people be deserving of their own senators? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #58

I didnt write the fucking Constitution. bunnies Sep 2013 #62

Well, it's your 'fucking' constitution muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #66

And MY constitution says TWO Senators per state. nt bunnies Sep 2013 #70

Oh, you 44,000 folks up there feel you don't have enough representation CreekDog Sep 2013 #54

Though I can somewhat sympathize... theHandpuppet Sep 2013 #16

And as was mentioned in another thread earlier on a similar subject life long demo Sep 2013 #31

Which is why they provided limits on the ability to do this in the constitution... PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #61

Oh, there you go, bringing the Constitution into it! Maeve Sep 2013 #86

Erin Ryan is the president of the local teabaggers XemaSab Sep 2013 #17

So THAT's why she wants water rights. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #44

I think we should give all T-baggers their own state paulrandfu Sep 2013 #18

Hello, this is not a big deal. Bette Noir Sep 2013 #20

*eye roll* SoapBox Sep 2013 #21

Yeah, let's start a few dozen small Republican states and give them each two Senators. Coyotl Sep 2013 #22

Should we take away Rhode Islands Senators too? bunnies Sep 2013 #46

Let 'em go! blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #24

I guess they have everything squared away there, time and money for this crap DiverDave Sep 2013 #26

Was up there a year ago. oldandhappy Sep 2013 #27

They are very likely factually incorrect about the direction of the tax flow. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #28

State of Jefferson.....what and ironic name if it becomes a "red state". Xolodno Sep 2013 #32

Wow x 3 moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #37

This is just Siskiyou County....but.... Xolodno Sep 2013 #38

There are a lot of good people in Siskiyou. Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #39

it doesn't matter if it's red or blue. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #57

We want our money back CreekDog Sep 2013 #68

Every fucking county in California Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #42

Gotta have those green lawns in Palm Springs! Throd Sep 2013 #43

You can object to anything you choose. Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #52

FYI the green lawns in Palm Springs are so far away from Lake Shasta that the water is Cleita Sep 2013 #106

but rural $ doesn't go to the cities. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #65

All I know Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #87

IN, not CA, but the 1st study I found: maxsolomon Sep 2013 #91

Well, with a half million people in the city Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #92

urban to rural tax flow is consistent across the country maxsolomon Sep 2013 #96

Again, about Washington state. Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #97

we in SF and LA aren't taking your money, quite the opposite CreekDog Sep 2013 #74

Actually it's the urban areas of San Francisco and LA that provide the tax Cleita Sep 2013 #104

Link? Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #107

Common sense. Cleita Sep 2013 #109

Would that be the same "common sense" Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #110

I was talking about places like Siskiyou. I know Fresno and most of the Central Valley Cleita Sep 2013 #114

I don't think Ashland would be too happy with that marlakay Sep 2013 #50

Speaking as someone whose family is from what some call the "State of Jefferson" CreekDog Sep 2013 #67

Stupid is as stupid does duffyduff Sep 2013 #83

Just think! They could charge exorbitant tolls for passing from CA to OR and vice versa! Brilliant! freshwest Sep 2013 #88

They are going to have to think of something because the county Cleita Sep 2013 #102

All fun and games until the CA National Guard shows up. roamer65 Sep 2013 #98

Please do. tblue Sep 2013 #100

They are a pretty poor county, scenically beautiful but poor. Cleita Sep 2013 #101

With a resource based economy, an aging population, no tax base to speak of tularetom Sep 2013 #103

As A CA resident, I say go for it. Cleita Sep 2013 #105

Fucking idiots gopiscrap Sep 2013 #108

201 Census populations of counties proposed for Jefferson State: struggle4progress Sep 2013 #112

A Metropolitan Statistical Area is more likely to be over represented on a state level. Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #120

The claim you make needs to be supported by evidence, because the issue is litigable struggle4progress Sep 2013 #122

Under the 1911 Apportionment Act, which has fixed the size of the House of Representatives struggle4progress Sep 2013 #113

I didn't know apportionment was frozen, interesting..nt Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #121