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better solution: move to Alabama ZRT2209 Sep 2013 #1
+2 n/t jaysunb Sep 2013 #2
Somalia,,,, nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #5
Never happen Iliyah Sep 2013 #3
Hey! truebluegreen Sep 2013 #4
I thought we settle this 150 years ago? nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #6
The question is about creating a new state, which is constitutional and subject to the following... PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #60
Which raises the question as to the constitutionality of West Virginia seceding from pampango Sep 2013 #115
Here is what Abraham Lincoln had to say about that question. onenote Sep 2013 #116
Very interesting. Thanks for posting, onenote. n/t pampango Sep 2013 #118
meh. it's almost a yearly event somewhere or other in California struggle4progress Sep 2013 #117
Don't let the door hit ya,where the good lord split ya! Rain Mcloud Sep 2013 #7
Great idea, please do so. That will be $500 to cross the road into the rest of the state. jtuck004 Sep 2013 #8
Excuse me? moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #10
"$500 to cross the border? " greiner3 Sep 2013 #19
Their water? Without the efforts of a lot of other people, and the people who came before them, I jtuck004 Sep 2013 #25
I believe they're talking about leaving CA, not the US. hughee99 Sep 2013 #30
EXACTLY moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #33
Lot of people here joke around ...sorta' tongue in cheek. BlueJazz Sep 2013 #73
Whose water? I assume you are referring to the tribes and fish and wildlife? CreekDog Sep 2013 #49
That water is a public resource that belongs to all the people of CA, kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #84
+1 Jamaal510 Sep 2013 #99
Yeah, but I can see where it could be frustrating primavera Sep 2013 #119
They'd get tired of paying their own way in a real hurry DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #90
Funny you talk about generating electricity. former9thward Sep 2013 #93
I think anyone who thinks they are an island should feel free to jtuck004 Sep 2013 #95
they have a valid grievance Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #111
A state with one tenth the population of Wyoming. Pab Sungenis Sep 2013 #9
This isn't even THAT conservative of a county. David__77 Sep 2013 #11
wow again moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #34
I'm not claiming that all secessionists are racist yahoos, just most of them. David__77 Sep 2013 #36
Southern Oregon - Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #41
do the Native Americans in that area want to spllit from California? CreekDog Sep 2013 #53
Is this that State of Jefferson nonsense again? SwankyXomb Sep 2013 #12
yup mulsh Sep 2013 #13
Funny enough davidpdx Sep 2013 #23
State of Jefferson Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #14
I think they should go for it. Why not? suede1 Sep 2013 #15
At 2 senators per state maxsolomon Sep 2013 #29
God forbid moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #35
In waht way do you claim that 2 senators for a small rural area would be 'equal representation'? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #40
Population of Rhode Island: 1.05 million. bunnies Sep 2013 #45
You don't fix a problem by making it worse muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #47
I dont see every state having two Senators a problem. bunnies Sep 2013 #48
really? WY has 576K people. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #51
Any WY has 1 house rep while CA has 53. bunnies Sep 2013 #56
do you not understand that the senate has power? maxsolomon Sep 2013 #63
I understand what the Constitution says. bunnies Sep 2013 #77
you just said you didn't say it was fair CreekDog Sep 2013 #75
The Senate was set up that way... bunnies Sep 2013 #76
and that makes it right how? CreekDog Sep 2013 #78
It simply makes it the way it is. nt bunnies Sep 2013 #79
then what are you arguing, not to change the Senate? CreekDog Sep 2013 #80
I never said it would be a decent idea to change OR & CA. bunnies Sep 2013 #81
lol ok, after all that, we agree on that part at least CreekDog Sep 2013 #82
:) bunnies Sep 2013 #85
:) CreekDog Sep 2013 #89
right and your state has two Senators CreekDog Sep 2013 #55
What? bunnies Sep 2013 #59
i was responding to the idea that Siskiyou and surrounding areas get their own Senators CreekDog Sep 2013 #64
I was simply pointing out that... bunnies Sep 2013 #69
is the Senate democratically allocated or not? CreekDog Sep 2013 #71
Never said it was. nt bunnies Sep 2013 #72
We are a republic not a democracy. former9thward Sep 2013 #94
Why would these particular people be deserving of their own senators? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #58
I didnt write the fucking Constitution. bunnies Sep 2013 #62
Well, it's your 'fucking' constitution muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #66
And MY constitution says TWO Senators per state. nt bunnies Sep 2013 #70
Oh, you 44,000 folks up there feel you don't have enough representation CreekDog Sep 2013 #54
Though I can somewhat sympathize... theHandpuppet Sep 2013 #16
And as was mentioned in another thread earlier on a similar subject life long demo Sep 2013 #31
Which is why they provided limits on the ability to do this in the constitution... PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #61
Oh, there you go, bringing the Constitution into it! Maeve Sep 2013 #86
Erin Ryan is the president of the local teabaggers XemaSab Sep 2013 #17
So THAT's why she wants water rights. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #44
I think we should give all T-baggers their own state paulrandfu Sep 2013 #18
Hello, this is not a big deal. Bette Noir Sep 2013 #20
*eye roll* SoapBox Sep 2013 #21
Yeah, let's start a few dozen small Republican states and give them each two Senators. Coyotl Sep 2013 #22
Should we take away Rhode Islands Senators too? bunnies Sep 2013 #46
Let 'em go! blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #24
I guess they have everything squared away there, time and money for this crap DiverDave Sep 2013 #26
Was up there a year ago. oldandhappy Sep 2013 #27
They are very likely factually incorrect about the direction of the tax flow. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #28
State of Jefferson.....what and ironic name if it becomes a "red state". Xolodno Sep 2013 #32
Wow x 3 moonlady0623 Sep 2013 #37
This is just Siskiyou County....but.... Xolodno Sep 2013 #38
There are a lot of good people in Siskiyou. Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #39
it doesn't matter if it's red or blue. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #57
We want our money back CreekDog Sep 2013 #68
Every fucking county in California Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #42
Gotta have those green lawns in Palm Springs! Throd Sep 2013 #43
You can object to anything you choose. Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #52
FYI the green lawns in Palm Springs are so far away from Lake Shasta that the water is Cleita Sep 2013 #106
but rural $ doesn't go to the cities. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #65
All I know Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #87
IN, not CA, but the 1st study I found: maxsolomon Sep 2013 #91
Well, with a half million people in the city Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #92
urban to rural tax flow is consistent across the country maxsolomon Sep 2013 #96
Again, about Washington state. Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #97
we in SF and LA aren't taking your money, quite the opposite CreekDog Sep 2013 #74
Actually it's the urban areas of San Francisco and LA that provide the tax Cleita Sep 2013 #104
Link? Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #107
Common sense. Cleita Sep 2013 #109
Would that be the same "common sense" Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #110
I was talking about places like Siskiyou. I know Fresno and most of the Central Valley Cleita Sep 2013 #114
I don't think Ashland would be too happy with that marlakay Sep 2013 #50
Speaking as someone whose family is from what some call the "State of Jefferson" CreekDog Sep 2013 #67
Stupid is as stupid does duffyduff Sep 2013 #83
Just think! They could charge exorbitant tolls for passing from CA to OR and vice versa! Brilliant! freshwest Sep 2013 #88
They are going to have to think of something because the county Cleita Sep 2013 #102
All fun and games until the CA National Guard shows up. roamer65 Sep 2013 #98
Please do. tblue Sep 2013 #100
They are a pretty poor county, scenically beautiful but poor. Cleita Sep 2013 #101
With a resource based economy, an aging population, no tax base to speak of tularetom Sep 2013 #103
As A CA resident, I say go for it. Cleita Sep 2013 #105
Fucking idiots gopiscrap Sep 2013 #108
201 Census populations of counties proposed for Jefferson State: struggle4progress Sep 2013 #112
A Metropolitan Statistical Area is more likely to be over represented on a state level. Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #120
The claim you make needs to be supported by evidence, because the issue is litigable struggle4progress Sep 2013 #122
Under the 1911 Apportionment Act, which has fixed the size of the House of Representatives struggle4progress Sep 2013 #113
I didn't know apportionment was frozen, interesting..nt Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #121
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