5 dead in shooting at health spa outside Atlanta

[AtheistCrusader]

35. Don't act stupid?

"Two LEO were inside the building at Columbine
Don't act stupid. You know this fact as well as I do. They chased Klebold and Harris, and could not manage to bring them down."


No, actually, SRO Neil Gardner exchanged gunfire with Harris outside the building (by the by, hitting no bystanders) and did not pursue him inside the school. Gardner was eating lunch in his patrol car, at the far end of the building when it started. That was one of the main, problematic findings of the governor's report on the whole mess: they set up a perimeter, and did not engage and pursue the shooters. The main force of non-SWAT officers arrived minutes later, none of them pursuing the suspects into the building until after the two suspects were already dead.

When you fire a fucking pistol, from 60 yards away, at a person shooting back at you, you are pretty damn likely to miss.

Likewise for Deputy Paul Smoker and two other Denver officers that fired at the pair FROM OUTSIDE the building, while the suspects returned fire from a window.

Maybe you should calm down a bit and check your facts, before you go off on someone, when you are wrong. The SRO's didn't go inside, and didn't pursue. Their only contact with the shooters was at range that you pretty much can't expect a hit with a pistol anyway, under combat conditions. Most people are hard pressed to score a lethal hit on a FULL SIZED human silouette at 25 yards. These officers had a slight advantage over the CPL holder in Arizona, in that they could SEE someone to shoot at, but they did not pursue, as it was against department policy, they didn't hit their targets, didn't go inside after them, and also, contrary to your assumption, didn't hit any bystanders, even though they opened fire on suspects who were standing in front of an inhabited school.

http://www.state.co.us/columbine/Columbine_20Report_WEB.pdf

Now that we've cleared that up.

I promised you two CPL holder's saving lives.

Mark Allen Wilson, armed only with a handgun, engaged a shooter with a rifle on the Tyler, Tx courthouse steps. He stopped the shooter from murdering his own son. Unfortunately the shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest and flak jacket, so he was not killed. He returned fire at Wilson, and the two were engaged long enough for more officers to arrive on scene. Wilson was killed. One life, or more, saved. (Posthumous congressional commendation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting

A local (for me) shooting at the Tacoma mall. Brandon Mckown confronted the shooter, Maldonado, with his pistol at low-ready, and ordered him to drop his rifle. (McKown probably should have just shot him on sight, he was behind the curve already, with a pistol against a rifle) Maldonado opted to gun down Mckown instead, having the advantage of not giving a shit about human life, and just blazing away. The encounter delayed Maldonado, no one else was shot during the rampage, after McKown opposed him. Another CPL holder was in the mall as well, but did not fire, because he didn't have a clear shot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_mall_shooting

By all means, proffer up some supporting evidence for your bullshit meme of CPL holders gunning down innocents in returning fire. I'll wait.

I don't know what CPL holders you know 'intimidating' or 'brandishing' as you claim, I don't know a single license holder that doesn't know damn well that we are held to a higher standard than joe citizen, and we don't fuck around playing show and tell. As you can see from my above examples, we can and have had positive impacts on active shooter situations, rarely if ever make the situation worse, and some have paid the ultimate price doing it.

There are of course, better examples of active shooters being reduced to room temp by CPL holders, but I think these two examples really put the lie to your meme about empty bravado, recklessness, etc. These guys went up against very bad odds, likely to lose, and one dead, the other crippled for life, they still made a very positive impact on the situation.