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flexnor

(392 posts)
31. google 'able archer 83'
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:53 AM
Feb 2012

'Do people honestly think that Moscow would be foolish enough to gamble with the lives of 160 million people over a nation that doesn't even really respect them? '

that's a very simpliistic statement - you're refering to the rationality of 'mutually assuring destruction' or MAD. The devil in the details of that strategy is 'launch on warning', which heads down the slippery slope of 'if you think their missiles are coming, you've got to get your's in the air before they hit - or even if you think THEY think you're going to hit them, then they're going to hit you, and you have to hit them before they do it' and just a couple of minutes to figure this all out, with a primative network of computers and sensors prone to false warnings (which happened in able archer 83, a LT col on the russian side sacrificed his career to override a false warning, not eveyone would do that)

If you're ever in Tucson, AZ, stop in and see this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Missile_Museum

and come back and tell me that is was just a 9 megaton bogyman

or this one if you're near rapid city, sd

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuteman_Missile_National_Historic_Site

(havent seen the latter one)

or watch this movie on google video 'countdown to looking glass'

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8786950669565492785

1984 movie about a nuclear war with Iran, in the straits of hormuz, the setting is like watching it in your home on CNN (a different fricticious network). Has none other than eric severide and newt gingrich in the story AS THEMSELVES

the above is fiction, but able archer 83 was not. it was a nato exercise that the russians, paranoid from reagan's 'evil empire' speech earlier that year thought was cover for the real thing



wikipedia entry able archer 83

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83

2 months before able archer 83, 'the day after' aired on ABC national TV, key part, nuclear war in kansas city - the scene opens with missiles being visible over a lawrence kansas football game




from http://hnn.us/articles/58928.html

"Reagan watched a videotape of ABC’s 1983 television movie, The Day After, and recorded in his diary that the production was “very effective & left me greatly depressed.” The Day After, which depicted a nuclear attack on Lawrence, Kansas, showed the horrible suffering of American victims of radiation. At the time of its release, Reagan worried that the TV film’s popularity might embolden the “anti-nukes,” but in the longer run The Day After seems to have impressed him with the importance of reversing a dangerous course in the cold war. During his second term, Reagan became less attentive to the advice of hawks and more receptive to advisers who recommended arms agreements with the Soviets. The Day After is one among many factors that may have inspired Reagan’s evolution from a cold warrior to a more open-minded negotiator"

that's my arguement that the threat was real. your arguement that is was fake is based on.......what?


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why then do they take mattvermont Feb 2012 #1
Oh Geez! Great minds think alike. When I read the OP I thought, " Big talk for a country truth2power Feb 2012 #42
I hope it's not our business when Iran counter-attacks bloomington-lib Feb 2012 #2
The military-industrial complex will make it their business. Lars77 Feb 2012 #5
we must guard against the acquisition flexnor Feb 2012 #11
Avi Lieberman is an idiot. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #3
And he is the foreign minister of Israel. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2012 #4
You do understand coalition governance, right? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #23
+1 sarcasmo Feb 2012 #13
What an ass he is Autumn Feb 2012 #6
Total lunatic BS lark Feb 2012 #7
'it's not the business of the United States'-> my, that's interesting flexnor Feb 2012 #8
you pay for Israel, at the pump flexnor Feb 2012 #9
'Foreign Minister Avigor Lieberman' I thought he was a senator? flexnor Feb 2012 #10
I think you are thinking of droopy dog, they are not one in the same are they? nope. lonestarnot Feb 2012 #22
I've always thought he was snagglepus, not droopy flexnor Feb 2012 #25
Leiberheave is Droopy Dog. lonestarnot Feb 2012 #26
Lieberman's photo should go into Wikipedia, as the definitive illustration of the "shit-eating grin" Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #36
Israel doesn't have a senate. nt Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #24
Invest in lifts Scootaloo Feb 2012 #28
In the 1970s, and until the end of the 1980s flexnor Feb 2012 #12
that's only about half true. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #27
google 'able archer 83' flexnor Feb 2012 #31
I know about Able Archer 83, and Countdown to Looking Glass. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #44
i fully agree that Iran is no threat, in and of themselves, with or without nukes flexnor Feb 2012 #47
Some truth here, but may I add: AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #48
They said that World War One was the 'war nobody wanted." Nonetheless . . . leveymg Feb 2012 #52
That last part is true, but things are different here. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #55
Spam deleted by uppityperson (MIR Team) sdghjtyjty Feb 2012 #14
Go away you asshole! L0oniX Feb 2012 #17
how do you get that bug on your message? flexnor Feb 2012 #19
\../ L0oniX Feb 2012 #21
a zillion dollars over 60 years hasnt earned one ounce of respect flexnor Feb 2012 #15
They'll take our money but not our advice. L0oniX Feb 2012 #16
War between Iran and Israel? We should sit it out. mainer Feb 2012 #18
the only thing we should bring out is popcorn nt flexnor Feb 2012 #20
We would have to "sit it out" - gasoline would be $8 a gallon - if you could find it. jpak Feb 2012 #54
We totally should! Centrik Feb 2012 #29
Really? leftynyc Feb 2012 #34
It's all a show; we've been helping Israel. We just want deniability Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #30
I think that's right JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #32
Whose airspace are they going to violate to get there? NT Gringostan Feb 2012 #33
Don't kid yourself leftynyc Feb 2012 #35
there is absolutely no way than any Middle Eastern government can admit openly that they allowed Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #38
They don't have to do it openly leftynyc Feb 2012 #40
No problem: through Syria which is busy now; then Iraq with no air defense; then hit Iran. Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #41
Exactly leftynyc Feb 2012 #43
I think you have to look at the logistics Gringostan Feb 2012 #50
Disagree vehemently leftynyc Feb 2012 #51
We do - do the Israelis? NT Gringostan Feb 2012 #53
No idea (n/t) leftynyc Feb 2012 #56
Mostly Iraq's, but they don't have an airforce anymore to worry about NickB79 Feb 2012 #57
Panetta & Pentagon admits their "bunker buster" bombs cannot penetrate Iran's underground facilitie Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #37
IMHO, any first strike on Iran, would almost certainly backfire badly on Israel. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #45
I think their capacity to hit Israel is limited Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #46
If there's one thing I can say, is this: AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #49
I happen to agree with Mr. Lieberman Democrat18 Feb 2012 #39
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