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42. In that case, we cannot agree to this being done in our names, and will oppose this war.

Sun Sep 8, 2013, 11:05 AM

Sep 2013

Unlike Vietnam and the Iraq War, the Admin. can't even claim that a "Silent Majority' supports them. LBJ was also otherwise a good President with a terrible legacy. Does Obama want that to ruin the rest of his term as President - if he goes ahead with this, does he even care?

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Syrian forces may have used gas without Assad's permission: paper [View all] dkf Sep 2013 OP

That's probably likely bigworld Sep 2013 #1

That is absolutely untrue. From Der Spiegel a few days ago - KittyWampus Sep 2013 #9

Even Obama now acknowledged that this appears possibly to have been the case at the G20 presser leveymg Sep 2013 #28

The source for the 4th Div. rumours are DEBKA, and that appears to have been disinformation. leveymg Sep 2013 #34

little more than hearsay soundsgreat Sep 2013 #2

Perhaps this is a hint? DonViejo Sep 2013 #5

With help from Iran? RiverNoord Sep 2013 #11

Sarin is just concentrated insecticide. Takes no great sophistication to make. leveymg Sep 2013 #39

its still classified as a VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #51

What - the use of VX or its recipe? Syria has plenty of it, but there have been no reported use. leveymg Sep 2013 #53

But that still doesn't tell us what actually happened daleo Sep 2013 #44

Which is worse, really? RiverNoord Sep 2013 #3

Then the absolute worst is if he falls and it all gets dispersed which we want to contribute to. dkf Sep 2013 #4

I agree - that would be very bad, but... RiverNoord Sep 2013 #10

So we punish Assad not for giving the orders but for losing control of his people? dkf Sep 2013 #12

Will you trust the rebels more, given that they have a substantial Al Qaeda component? daleo Sep 2013 #47

How safe will it be if the rebels prevail and then have control of the chemical weapons themselves? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #54

That's what I was getting at daleo Sep 2013 #67

We can eliminate the chemicals from the equation....that is one thing... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #68

agreed... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #52

Fair is fair - then any strike against his forces also will have not have his permission. I do not 24601 Sep 2013 #6

then that is almost worse. Assad has lost control of the military. If this is the case he needs to KittyWampus Sep 2013 #7

Wow, you think Assad stepping down results in better control of CW...how does that work? dkf Sep 2013 #13

Same regime, general replaces Assad. See? KittyWampus Sep 2013 #17

I tend to agree that ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #23

We have already lost track where all the Syrian CWs are. dkf Sep 2013 #24

Or, it *could mean that after 4 months of pestering he said "What the hell, go for it." Turborama Sep 2013 #63

Sounds to me ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #8

For all you know he has already been removed. dkf Sep 2013 #14

He ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #19

The Rogue official. dkf Sep 2013 #20

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #21

Why would Assad have wanted to tell everyone he is losing control? dkf Sep 2013 #22

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #25

Sorry to tell you but that is what they are saying... dkf Sep 2013 #27

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #33

The officer may have been relieved of his command, permanently. We have the intercepts from that leveymg Sep 2013 #31

I think ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #37

In that case, we cannot agree to this being done in our names, and will oppose this war. leveymg Sep 2013 #42

Frankly ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #57

This is a slow-simmering regional war waiting to boil over with a little extra fuel. We can provide leveymg Sep 2013 #58

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2013 #60

After 2003, we have a well-founded fear of lies about limited wars that get us into longer wars. leveymg Sep 2013 #64

Exactly karynnj Sep 2013 #16

Exactly DallasNE Sep 2013 #65

That was my first thought DFW Sep 2013 #15

I read they have given up on the theory that it was the brother. Will see if I can find the source. dkf Sep 2013 #18

I'm sure neither of them was "directly" involved, and certainly not provably so DFW Sep 2013 #30

what a tangled web is being woven... madrchsod Sep 2013 #26

Sounds like they're laying groundwork for Assad to leave. blm Sep 2013 #29

The problem is, who moves in? Al-Nusra, Assad's brother, PolPot? leveymg Sep 2013 #32

It stands to reason there is a suitable replacement lined up. blm Sep 2013 #40

Brutal methods are hardly unique to Assad in this war. Both sides have to be held accountable, leveymg Sep 2013 #45

Unlike 99% of Americans, the people in that region KNOW that Assad was blm Sep 2013 #69

So, why did we, the Brits, and particularly the French organize exile groups and rebellion? leveymg Sep 2013 #72

I knew that, but, as it grew so did Assad's reaction to it. blm Sep 2013 #73

Of course, the entire operation was predicated on regime overreaction. These things always are. leveymg Sep 2013 #74

While ruining so much in the world. blm Sep 2013 #75

I'm sure no one was more effective at communicating to Assad the consequences of use of chem weapons leveymg Sep 2013 #77

+1 n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #55

Why not include this information from the article in the OP? Purrfessor Sep 2013 #35

Some folks here are determined to make Assad the victim blm Sep 2013 #41

Americans refuse to be victimized again, in the same way, by the same set of deceivers waging the leveymg Sep 2013 #50

Leaving information that contradicts the OP out of the OP Purrfessor Sep 2013 #59

The absence of falsehood is not necessarily the truth or a lie. leveymg Sep 2013 #61

It's not in the same way - discernment, historic context, inc. that of the figures blm Sep 2013 #66

Regime change by other means. Another Admin., another domino. How is this different, really? leveymg Sep 2013 #70

We'll see. Frankly I think they calculated that Assad will come back to the blm Sep 2013 #71

+1 n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #56

And so then launching more strikes could transform the army into a group of chemical-armed militias. David__77 Sep 2013 #36

Makes no difference Cryptoad Sep 2013 #38

Glad you are not in any position of responsibility. leveymg Sep 2013 #43

Glad there more like me in positions of responisbility Cryptoad Sep 2013 #46

We don't even seem to know, much less prove, who is responsible. If those in positions of leveymg Sep 2013 #48

Who is calling for Cryptoad Sep 2013 #76

So you think any war crimes committed by even the lowest ranking soldier JoeyT Sep 2013 #78

Yes,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #79

Wow. You've just pinned the tail on the donkey there ... Nihil Sep 2013 #80

Beats Cryptoad Sep 2013 #81

That would be good news. musical_soul Sep 2013 #49

I don't think that changes the decision much bhikkhu Sep 2013 #62