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AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
44. I know about Able Archer 83, and Countdown to Looking Glass.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:32 PM
Feb 2012

Some very interesting stuff here, it can be admitted, but I have to be honest and say that it doesn't really disprove my point.
There was indeed a very real possibility of atomic war in 1983 and '84; tensions were at the highest they'd ever been since the Cuban Missile Crisis and Europe was at the very center, with NATO on one side and the Warsaw Pact on the other, all with thousands of nukes ready to launch perhaps literally at a moment's notice. The Cold War, however, came to a close in 1991, and other than perhaps the Black Brant incident in Jan. 1995, we haven't even come remotely close to nuclear war since. And I should also mention that CtoLG largely revolved around Saudi Arabia and Oman for a flashpoint, not Iran, and Central Europe for The Day After(granted, though, the BBC's Threads did use the bombing of Mashhad as one of the several flashpoints).

So, you certainly are right on one thing: atomic war between Russia and the U.S. was a very real thing just over 20 years ago, and particularly in the '80s and during the Cuban Crisis, and thankfully Reagan came to his senses after watching TDA(which, IMO, is one of the most important films of the late 20th Century). However, though, we haven't had to really worry about it since then, apart from the occasional fearmongering(particularly from neo-cons).

If there is one thing we can be legitimately concerned about, it would be nuclear terrorism, since many bombs have gone missing since 1991. And the threat might not just come from foreign terrorists, either.........

(P.S., frankly, I doubt Iran would be able to attack the U.S. directly anyway. They simply don't have the tech to build any ICBMs yet, and I think there'll be a revolution before they can get to that stage.)






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why then do they take mattvermont Feb 2012 #1
Oh Geez! Great minds think alike. When I read the OP I thought, " Big talk for a country truth2power Feb 2012 #42
I hope it's not our business when Iran counter-attacks bloomington-lib Feb 2012 #2
The military-industrial complex will make it their business. Lars77 Feb 2012 #5
we must guard against the acquisition flexnor Feb 2012 #11
Avi Lieberman is an idiot. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #3
And he is the foreign minister of Israel. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2012 #4
You do understand coalition governance, right? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #23
+1 sarcasmo Feb 2012 #13
What an ass he is Autumn Feb 2012 #6
Total lunatic BS lark Feb 2012 #7
'it's not the business of the United States'-> my, that's interesting flexnor Feb 2012 #8
you pay for Israel, at the pump flexnor Feb 2012 #9
'Foreign Minister Avigor Lieberman' I thought he was a senator? flexnor Feb 2012 #10
I think you are thinking of droopy dog, they are not one in the same are they? nope. lonestarnot Feb 2012 #22
I've always thought he was snagglepus, not droopy flexnor Feb 2012 #25
Leiberheave is Droopy Dog. lonestarnot Feb 2012 #26
Lieberman's photo should go into Wikipedia, as the definitive illustration of the "shit-eating grin" Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #36
Israel doesn't have a senate. nt Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #24
Invest in lifts Scootaloo Feb 2012 #28
In the 1970s, and until the end of the 1980s flexnor Feb 2012 #12
that's only about half true. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #27
google 'able archer 83' flexnor Feb 2012 #31
I know about Able Archer 83, and Countdown to Looking Glass. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #44
i fully agree that Iran is no threat, in and of themselves, with or without nukes flexnor Feb 2012 #47
Some truth here, but may I add: AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #48
They said that World War One was the 'war nobody wanted." Nonetheless . . . leveymg Feb 2012 #52
That last part is true, but things are different here. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #55
Spam deleted by uppityperson (MIR Team) sdghjtyjty Feb 2012 #14
Go away you asshole! L0oniX Feb 2012 #17
how do you get that bug on your message? flexnor Feb 2012 #19
\../ L0oniX Feb 2012 #21
a zillion dollars over 60 years hasnt earned one ounce of respect flexnor Feb 2012 #15
They'll take our money but not our advice. L0oniX Feb 2012 #16
War between Iran and Israel? We should sit it out. mainer Feb 2012 #18
the only thing we should bring out is popcorn nt flexnor Feb 2012 #20
We would have to "sit it out" - gasoline would be $8 a gallon - if you could find it. jpak Feb 2012 #54
We totally should! Centrik Feb 2012 #29
Really? leftynyc Feb 2012 #34
It's all a show; we've been helping Israel. We just want deniability Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #30
I think that's right JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #32
Whose airspace are they going to violate to get there? NT Gringostan Feb 2012 #33
Don't kid yourself leftynyc Feb 2012 #35
there is absolutely no way than any Middle Eastern government can admit openly that they allowed Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #38
They don't have to do it openly leftynyc Feb 2012 #40
No problem: through Syria which is busy now; then Iraq with no air defense; then hit Iran. Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #41
Exactly leftynyc Feb 2012 #43
I think you have to look at the logistics Gringostan Feb 2012 #50
Disagree vehemently leftynyc Feb 2012 #51
We do - do the Israelis? NT Gringostan Feb 2012 #53
No idea (n/t) leftynyc Feb 2012 #56
Mostly Iraq's, but they don't have an airforce anymore to worry about NickB79 Feb 2012 #57
Panetta & Pentagon admits their "bunker buster" bombs cannot penetrate Iran's underground facilitie Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #37
IMHO, any first strike on Iran, would almost certainly backfire badly on Israel. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #45
I think their capacity to hit Israel is limited Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #46
If there's one thing I can say, is this: AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #49
I happen to agree with Mr. Lieberman Democrat18 Feb 2012 #39
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