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sofa king

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57. Consider that the threat WAS the diplomacy.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:28 PM
Sep 2013

The United States does not and really never has had decent diplomatic relations with the Syrians. I rather doubt President Obama could just pick up the phone and call President Assad even before the civil unrest erupted. The Syrians have never trusted us, as they shouldn't, because we were never their friends.

But President Obama can force a move from someone else. By beating the war drum, President Obama effectively guaranteed that the Russians, who have a HUGE interest in Syria and a powerful half-century relationship with Ba'athists who control Syria, would have to act.

The Russians have a critically important naval facility there, as well as parts and supply contracts worth billions, because the Syrian Army relies heavily on its Soviet-built mechanized forces and weapons. If their money or their docks are threatened, Vladimir Putin will pick up the phone and will tell Assad exactly what the hell he wants, which apparently is exactly what he did, with immediate effect.

There is further evidence that the US and the Russians colluded in these moves. The rather inexplicable pissing match between Presidents Obama and Putin this summer might better be explained now as an effort to publicly distance the two nations, so that the Russians would have a better chance of "persuading" Assad to drop the chemical weapons like a hot brick.

Whether he likes it or not, the President does have a responsibility to enforce previous U.S. diplomatic doctrines, including responding to the use of banned weapons (our own disgusting hypocrisy excluded) with "overwhelming force." The US and the Russians working together, by accident or design, meets that requirement in a novel and peaceful way.

Dang, you fast! :D Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #1
Thanks for the link!! Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #3
Of course Putin will get all the credit for this. DCBob Sep 2013 #2
On DU - of course that will be true, but historically no karynnj Sep 2013 #11
On DU the hate for Obama will continue jzodda Sep 2013 #35
Who says? What difference does that make anyway? lumpy Sep 2013 #46
makes no pratical difference.. DCBob Sep 2013 #56
k&r Little Star Sep 2013 #4
Here's BBC's story: Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #5
Fingers crossed... Peacetrain Sep 2013 #6
I would think they have a comprehensive list already. Gore1FL Sep 2013 #7
Maybe, but with the country in chaos, perhaps they're not sure where all of them are? Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #12
One assumes that they have the basis for an accounting already in karynnj Sep 2013 #8
Guess those screw ups Obama and Kerry knew what they were doing after all. Botany Sep 2013 #9
I'll feel better when it happens... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #13
How long 'till the Reich talking point is Obama shoulda bombed Strelnikov_ Sep 2013 #20
It really doesn't matter what President Obama does because their job is to find fault .... Botany Sep 2013 #24
Exactly right. Kind of sad... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #34
Oh please. Putin is obviously the grown-up in the room. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #23
Troll much? Botany Sep 2013 #25
Welp, you've convinced me with your oh-so-clever image. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #41
o.k. I'll play along please show me where Obama and his adim. made any .... Botany Sep 2013 #47
The results aren't in question. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #50
So you admit Obama and Kerry got the job done but they just did it by dumb luck? Botany Sep 2013 #53
Oh please spare me that BS. Iliyah Sep 2013 #26
Haha! That's a good one. That Putin is quite the clever diplomat. cheapdate Sep 2013 #30
Why not go to Free Republic jzodda Sep 2013 #36
That's rich. I think you've got more in common with them than I do. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #40
My point is simple jzodda Sep 2013 #42
None so bitter as a spurned lover. Jester Messiah Sep 2013 #51
"When he fucks up, I'll call him on it." Botany Sep 2013 #54
Jester - you apparently haven't paid attention to what blm Sep 2013 #60
Jester, you didn't pay attention to Syria issue this year, did you? blm Sep 2013 #62
Way to GO! EXCELLENT news. I voted for Obama and Kerry based on their foreign policy... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #32
yup! Botany Sep 2013 #55
Yes. I was SO glad to see that FP team... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #59
I'll be quite happy . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #10
Thank you for saying that... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #33
My pleasure! another_liberal Sep 2013 #38
... YvonneCa Sep 2013 #39
I'm impressed nt karynnj Sep 2013 #43
He alway was Presidential material. Not too many people would be willing to eat crow. lumpy Sep 2013 #48
WP: "Obama administration (will) NOT press for U.N. authorization to use force against Syria". denem Sep 2013 #14
They don't need authorization... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #15
Well, under international law, they do. But when did that every stop us? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #28
BBC: Kerry and Lavrov said a UN resolution could be sought under Chapter VII of the UN charter, pampango Sep 2013 #52
Good news. Skinner Sep 2013 #16
I sure hope so! Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #17
Perhaps a political solution is possible after all DLnyc Sep 2013 #18
This is great news Andy823 Sep 2013 #19
Cautiously hopeful here. n/t bitchkitty Sep 2013 #21
Me too... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #22
Very Grateful. Bombing takes second place to Diplomacy. libdem4life Sep 2013 #27
Consider that the threat WAS the diplomacy. sofa king Sep 2013 #57
Good points. libdem4life Sep 2013 #58
If you gave me one week to paint my house tavernier Sep 2013 #31
This is a great solution because it does not give an advantage to either side and reduces JDPriestly Sep 2013 #29
In addition to this, Lavrov and Kerry want Geneva 2 to procede karynnj Sep 2013 #44
Hopefully the U.S. and Russia will finish destroying their own stockpiles soon daleo Sep 2013 #37
K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #45
best case positive progress, I hope this works! Sunlei Sep 2013 #49
Comply in a week?... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #61
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