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leveymg

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21. Some other major inconsistencies and misrepresentations in this matter:
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:52 PM
Sep 2013

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Much has been made about statements made to the press by US and UK officials following the release of the UN Syrian chemical weapons report. Some of these require scrutiny, as they are representations that do not appear in the actual UN report, and at closer examination do not line up with the documented evidence.

The following extract from a Reuters report via The Jerusalem Post of the exchange with reporters that followed release of the report: http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Britain-France-US-UN-report-leaves-no-doubt-that-Assad-regime-used-chemical-weapons-326297

[div class="excerpt" UK Ambassador to the UN Lyall Grant stated,
"In response to a question Mr Sellstrom (a scientist who headed the UN study) confirmed that the quality of the sarin was superior both to that used in the Tokyo subway but also to that used by Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war," he told reporters.

"This does not point to a cottage industry chemical," said Lyall Grant, taking a swipe at earlier comments by Churkin. Churkin said in July that a Moscow analysis found "cottage industry" quality sarin gas was used in an alleged March 19 attack, which he blamed on the rebels.

The report, itself, makes no reference to the quality or origins of the sarin. It appears that Grant is quoting Sellstrom about samples of sarin taken from the western impact site where standard Soviet-provided military munitions were used. It is not at all clear that the same agent was used at the Ein Tarma target site, where improvised rockets were used.

The investigators studied five impact sites and were able to determine the likely trajectory of the projectiles at two sites: Moadamiyah and Ein Tarma.


As pointed out in my response above, the trajectory indicates the improvised devices were launched from a contested area, not from a regime-controlled territory as initially claimed by the State Dept. Report. Furthermore, the HRW and UN evidence now indicates there were two neighborhoods targeted, each by a separate force with different weapons, not 12 as is still claimed by the US Government.

Eliot Higgins, who blogs under the name of Brown Moses and has been tracking videos of weapons used in the Syria conflict, wrote that he has not seen the opposition using the munitions identified in the report: a variant of the M14 artillery rocket and a 330 mm caliber artillery rocket.


This last item that goes to "technical evidence" is completely disingenuous. The Brown Moses blig itself in June pointed out that the larger devices are virtually identical to improvised rockets that have been used by Hezbollah militia since they first appeared in Syria late last year.

Finally, we come to Samantha Power's own statement, and based on the facts we know contradict it, her words do not have an authentic ring: http://usun.state.gov/briefing/statements/214290.htm

Let me also remind you of what we know coming into today's briefing. In the days before the attack, Assad’s chemical weapons experts prepared for an attack. They distributed gas masks to regime troops. They fired rockets from a regime-controlled area into 12 neighborhoods that the regime had been trying to clear of opposition forces. And here again I want to underscore, it defies logic to think that the opposition would have infiltrated the regime-controlled area to fire on opposition-controlled areas.

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Heh. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #1
A compelling case has been made that Sarin was used and all the implications point at the government Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #2
No. The 140mm rockets killed about 100 people - the rest were killed elsewhere by improvised rockets leveymg Sep 2013 #13
We shall see. This report suggests that it is rather certain that the Assad government used JDPriestly Sep 2013 #15
Not if the CIA suppied rebels have been involved in it brisas2k Sep 2013 #17
That remains a possibility, but is less likely than it was before the report. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #18
Only a relatively small number were military rockets observed to come from the direction of gov't leveymg Sep 2013 #19
Some other major inconsistencies and misrepresentations in this matter: leveymg Sep 2013 #21
There is no John2 Sep 2013 #3
Ah yes, the "nuh-uh!" and "NO U" rebuttals. Classics of the genre. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #4
This is the one who keep asking : Sand Wind Sep 2013 #6
Your loyalty to Assad would be touching if geek tragedy Sep 2013 #22
Did you leave out the paragraph that said the found evidence had been handled/moved prior to azurnoir Sep 2013 #5
Well before the Damascus gas attack took place . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #7
Samantha Power is the worst. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #10
Samantha Power . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #24
Wasn't the impression I got from her books, but hey. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #37
Every hunmanitarian crisis I have seen her comment on . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #55
She is just jizzing in her pants at the thought of invading Syria AngryAmish Sep 2013 #65
It would be great if you linked sources for that. leveymg Sep 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Sep 2013 #27
I relented . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #33
Does this mean that the UN will bomb Syria and announce Assad a criminal? lovuian Sep 2013 #8
That could be the best strategy of all. Sand Wind Sep 2013 #9
Will You Be one of the First In Wolf Frankula Sep 2013 #11
Sorry...I'd believe very little of what she says along with Susan Rice. KoKo Sep 2013 #12
+! 2banon Sep 2013 #66
Now this is the way to handle such situations. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #14
what is very damning is the fact the UN team states unequivocally that the evidence azurnoir Sep 2013 #16
Russia's quick response to offer an agreement suggests to me that Russia knows very well JDPriestly Sep 2013 #20
There is another explanation for why Russia AND Assad moved quickly to give up CWs: loss of control leveymg Sep 2013 #25
Why not admit to that? joshcryer Sep 2013 #36
That was also a red-line, remember? leveymg Sep 2013 #44
I don't buy it. joshcryer Sep 2013 #46
It would cause an uproar and goes so far against the conventional narrative it could set off leveymg Sep 2013 #49
How heavy is the Al Qaeda presence in those contested areas? Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #63
it's part of the UN inspection teams report azurnoir Sep 2013 #30
The Kremlin's talking points have gone out apparently nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #23
and you're claiming the UN team is quoting them? azurnoir Sep 2013 #28
Obfuscate away. All evidence points to the regime. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #29
I was citing the UN inspection teamns report so you're cherry picking that? n/t azurnoir Sep 2013 #31
You claimed it was damning that the scene had been disturbed geek tragedy Sep 2013 #32
The UN team said the evidence had been handled/moved prior to their arrival azurnoir Sep 2013 #39
No they didn't. That's your attempt to spin their words to give cover to your boy Assad.nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #52
My 'boy' Assad? just where do you get that from? azurnoir Sep 2013 #53
You sound exactly like his defense lawyer will if they ever get him out of power alive. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #54
you appear to say that being anti-war means being anti-US or something azurnoir Sep 2013 #56
The facts released by the UN establish that it was the regime geek tragedy Sep 2013 #57
The report established nothing of the sort that was not the mission of the UN team azurnoir Sep 2013 #58
So you, Putin, and Larry "whitey tape" Johnson say. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #59
show us where the UN's mission was to establish who used Sarin azurnoir Sep 2013 #60
It was not allowed to pursue that line. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #61
the hypothesis is your very own azurnoir Sep 2013 #62
They did not say that. joshcryer Sep 2013 #35
it does not say that it says the evidence was moved /handled prior to the teams inspections azurnoir Sep 2013 #38
It does not say that munitions used as evidence were moved! joshcryer Sep 2013 #40
That is NOT the statement from the UN report you made up that entire statement azurnoir Sep 2013 #41
I typed it EXACTLY as your link, page 22. joshcryer Sep 2013 #42
OMG I wish I could say I can't believe the dishonesty in your statement azurnoir Sep 2013 #43
Admit it, you got caught misrepresenting the evidence. joshcryer Sep 2013 #45
you got caught attempting to spin it azurnoir Sep 2013 #47
the munitions weren't moved, you lied joshcryer Sep 2013 #48
now your just making that up what exactly was the UN using as evidence azurnoir Sep 2013 #51
The pictures show mostly whole munitions! joshcryer Sep 2013 #64
Married to Cass Sunstein Aerows Sep 2013 #34
You may not be aware of this, but geek tragedy Sep 2013 #50
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