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BadtotheboneBob

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11. The VA will take the rap for this...

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:08 PM

Sep 2013

Apparently he was treated by the VA for mental health issues. Many will ask why he wasn't adjudicated as mentally ill, thus denying him the ability to purchase firearms (except from private owners or certain gun shows). I am a DAV - Life Member and a VA patient/client and know a great many veterans (men and women) who are treated by the VA for mental health issues. I wonder now how quickly the VA will act to adjudicate those people, whether they are dangerous or not, in response to this. If so, you'll see a great many veterans stop going to the VA for treatment to avoid that. Having it on record could affect employment opportunities, rental applications etc. I don't know what the answer is, but I know that a rush to put all veterans with mental health issues in one pot is not one of them. But, mark my words, the VA will be under significant scrutiny after this incident and the VA leadership will act to protect themselves.

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Navy Yard gunman treated for paranoia and hearing voices in his head [View all] Nancy Waterman Sep 2013 OP

And yet he legally owned guns and passed a security check. appleannie1 Sep 2013 #1

Prosecute mainstreetonce Sep 2013 #2

+1 glinda Sep 2013 #41

The very same billh58 Sep 2013 #5

One aspect of treatment is NOT to discourage people to seek treatment happyslug Sep 2013 #58

There needs to be a way to track individuals like this. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #3

People are freaking out because they think NSA is reading their email to Aunt Martha. MADem Sep 2013 #8

That was one of NY state's solutions to Newtown. hack89 Sep 2013 #22

+1000 Trillo Sep 2013 #31

I was just informed by the V.A. that they performed one on me recently glinda Sep 2013 #42

There is more than enough "tracking" already being done in this country, thank you very much.... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #20

Agreed 1000%. Myrina Sep 2013 #35

Navy Yard gunman treated for paranoia and hearing voices in his head Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #4

Yeah, thank Christ a guy like this could get all the guns he wanted. Paladin Sep 2013 #6

He was a "good guy with a gun" until tblue Sep 2013 #21

Untreated schizophrenia, then? MADem Sep 2013 #7

Sounds like a member of a well regulated militia Botany Sep 2013 #9

Several "opportunities" to do checks all failed.So WHO let him through? glinda Sep 2013 #43

Good question. nt MADem Sep 2013 #53

Schizophrenia is disordered thinking NOT hearing voices or being paranoid happyslug Sep 2013 #54

Oh, dear.........where to begin...... kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #56

You use the terms "often" happyslug Sep 2013 #61

Well, I've known a couple--more than a couple, four, to be precise-- of schizophrenics. MADem Sep 2013 #60

Was it the voice of Wayne LaPierre? nt onehandle Sep 2013 #10

+1 TheCowsCameHome Sep 2013 #13

The VA will take the rap for this... BadtotheboneBob Sep 2013 #11

I wonder if he was off his meds? Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #24

If he was prescribed them, it's quite possible... BadtotheboneBob Sep 2013 #26

Unless he was in a facility and was being supervised or even forcibly given his meds, kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Daniel537 Sep 2013 #12

Who would want a gun more than a paranoid? caseymoz Sep 2013 #14

I have always said it is actually EASY to establish a list of people who shouldn't have guns. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #15

Snowden probably could provide us with that. onehandle Sep 2013 #18

He picked up the ar-15 and pistol from victim(s) Guaguacoa Sep 2013 #16

Yep. All it takes is one legal gun to 'stop a good guy with a gun,' and take his gun. onehandle Sep 2013 #17

I'm not trying to be a wiseguy and Guaguacoa Sep 2013 #25

He used a run-of-the-mill hunting shotgun NickB79 Sep 2013 #29

He bought the shotgun within the last week. onehandle Sep 2013 #30

He waited a week before going onto the base NickB79 Sep 2013 #32

No. Maintain that extensive background checks be required for purchases of ALL guns. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #38

Shotguns require background checks in the US.nt Guaguacoa Sep 2013 #47

No ar-15 used according to the la times. Guaguacoa Sep 2013 #48

Well, yes actually philosslayer Sep 2013 #50

Untreated schizophrenics shouldnt' be allowed within 100 ft of a gun, let alone own or possess one. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #59

all these big contractors, corps like HP, are encouraged to hire our returning Vets first Sunlei Sep 2013 #19

And the need for more health care before something happens. freshwest Sep 2013 #23

Were the voices in his head The Wizard Sep 2013 #27

"Give that man as many guns as he wants!" Gungeoneer logic. nt valerief Sep 2013 #28

Because there are so many here saying exactly that. hack89 Sep 2013 #33

He was in my area last month acting crazy hack89 Sep 2013 #34

Oh great, the new Manchurians ... Myrina Sep 2013 #36

As a retired Navy officer I am curious what you mean by that statement. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #37

What an obtuse and senseless remark. MADem Sep 2013 #40

And how exactly do you "know" our military? BadtotheboneBob Sep 2013 #46

Ohferchristsakes Myrina Sep 2013 #49

Offachrissake, indeed. You said a woefully misinformed and cruel thing that deeply offended MADem Sep 2013 #52

Yeah... BadtotheboneBob Sep 2013 #55

I would not object to a brain-scan on him seriously..... glinda Sep 2013 #44

Most of the victims were civilians, between the ages of 43 and 73. MADem Sep 2013 #39

Perhaps he was intentionally selecting older people unless kiranon Sep 2013 #45

Who knows? I think the guy was unmedicated and not thinking straight. For all we know those MADem Sep 2013 #51