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25. There is a valid fear that it's the first step in a process that ends that way.

Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:02 PM

Sep 2013

It's not unlike what I witnessed happen in Virginia with abortion. Sure, there was never a real outright effort to end abortion. Laws were introduced that continually chipped away at it in the name of "safety". The process got longer and longer, more expensive, and a hell of a lot more invasive. This continued until the latest TRAP law basically shut down several clinics. This little at a time technique works, so it's a valid fear for people. I fought like hell before I left VA to oppose the new abortion laws because I knew their ultimate game plan.

What you have proposed isn't that unreasonable. But how do you prove that next year even more stringent laws wouldn't be imposed. And the year after that...

That's what you're facing.

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High gun ownership makes countries less safe, US study finds [View all] Robb Sep 2013 OP

Folk Darwinism meets disaster capitalism coldmountain Sep 2013 #1

And is the corollary: a high ownership of fire extinguishers in homes make countries less safe? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #2

Get back to us on that the next time a fire extinguisher is the tool used to kill a dozen people. IveWornAHundredPants Sep 2013 #6

Fire extinguishers put out fires -- they don't cause them starroute Sep 2013 #7

You are right. Obviously, homeowners should not be allowed to choose as to whether to own AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #8

did that poster say that all guns should be banned? no they didn't. CreekDog Sep 2013 #16

At the risk of billh58 Sep 2013 #19

Bans on new firearms is "coming for your guns" aikoaiko Sep 2013 #23

SCOTUS reference: billh58 Sep 2013 #24

So are you admitting that you are "coming for the guns" aikoaiko Sep 2013 #26

Nope. billh58 Sep 2013 #28

Semi-automatic weapons clearly aren't "unusual" NickB79 Sep 2013 #38

"have been some of the most widely sold long guns in the US for over a decade" Heywood J Sep 2013 #39

It's mostly marketing and media hype, really NickB79 Sep 2013 #50

That's a nice hunting rifle. Looks well-made. Heywood J Sep 2013 #65

Looking for a point of agreement sarisataka Sep 2013 #43

There is a valid fear that it's the first step in a process that ends that way. NutmegYankee Sep 2013 #25

Yes, it does - n/t primavera Sep 2013 #58

hmmm ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #3

Only the die hard billh58 Sep 2013 #4

The NRA has worked for years to kill any studies that would look at links ... Botany Sep 2013 #9

Think Progress: Largest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder Botany Sep 2013 #5

Unpossible. I've only known two gun lovin, teabaggers who have shot themselves. onehandle Sep 2013 #10

In a related story, smoking causes cancer. SansACause Sep 2013 #11

The violent crime victimization rate is 28% of what it was in 1993. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #12

Changing demographics Bragi Sep 2013 #18

OMG, lol. closeupready Sep 2013 #21

How low might it be with less guns, fewer Zimmermans, armed border Klan, etc. Hoyt Sep 2013 #51

I don't know what you can do to legislatively limit the number of Zimmermans. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #52

Aging population, better surveillance, tougher sentences, etc., not your gunz. Hoyt Sep 2013 #54

You're poking your finger in the wrong chest, pal. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #55

Some % of GOP vote comes from gun lugger licenses. RedCloud Sep 2013 #13

I agree completely, though I did find it odd to see that hughee99 Sep 2013 #14

(your sarcasm is noted!) Because this study is half baked. Look at the countries you mention; 7962 Sep 2013 #15

It certainly makes sense that more guns equal more GUN related deaths, hughee99 Sep 2013 #20

It looks like a pick and choose article. Guaguacoa Sep 2013 #62

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #17

! blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #22

Gee, what a surprise. I mean really. Warpy Sep 2013 #27

"The gun ownership rate was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death," askeptic Sep 2013 #29

On the other hand... EX500rider Sep 2013 #30

If you want to be a little less obvious, don't hotlink from Guns.com. Robb Sep 2013 #31

Yes the ole attack the source when you got nothing else.. n/t EX500rider Sep 2013 #33

It is a user problem, not a tool problem. ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #32

Which is why at a minimum we should be thoroughly vetting and licensing all users. Robb Sep 2013 #34

Those doctors are wrong, sorry. Adam-Bomb Sep 2013 #35

True Daniel537 Sep 2013 #42

"High gun ownership"? I agree, people shouldn't handle guns when they're high. Throd Sep 2013 #36

That would be good to know, if only all deaths were committed by firearm. LAGC Sep 2013 #37

re: "Where there's a will, there's a way..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #45

Who says the two are mutually exclusive? primavera Sep 2013 #60

As usual, the study does not separate the legal from the illegal gun owners. N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #40

There is no moral difference between criminals and legal gun owners hack89 Sep 2013 #41

It's: "You're law-abiding until you're not." Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #44

The NSA knows everything. discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #46

Gun-control is arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #47

not to worry... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2013 #48

Yep, the gun culture told us Zimmerman was a Saint, before and after murdering T Martin. Hoyt Sep 2013 #56

Are all gun owners pre-criminals in your eyes? nt hack89 Sep 2013 #57

They are clearly more likely to shoot, intimidate, cause an accident, scare little kids, etc., Hoyt Sep 2013 #59

Not just gun owners primavera Sep 2013 #61

It's certainly less safe for innocent people. Sunlei Sep 2013 #49

The full study is in this month's issue of DUH! magazine. KamaAina Sep 2013 #53

The dogs bark. The caravan rolls on. Blandocyte Sep 2013 #63

barkward-looking Neanderthals don't like the ... quadrature Sep 2013 #64