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11. Francis would have been the pope no matter what
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 12:01 PM
Sep 2013

When Benedict resigned, Francis was next in line for the job. It was a done deal the second Benedict said farewell (*whew*).

Why do I know this?

I happen to be Catholic and the day that pope Francis was named I was watching the celebrations in Argentina and they were saying all of what I just wrote in Spanish that day -- that pope Francis would have been the pope already had Benedict not taken the position.

So all of this waiting for the smoke to rise, etc. was all but a show for those that wanted to believe that it was a real secret matter where in fact, there was nothing secret about it because everyone knew already.

As for the Cardinal's vote, I doubt he's kicking himself as who else could he have voted for? No one is the answer in a done deal scenario as this one was.

All said, I like this pope more that Benedict, that is for certain.

As for the role of women in the Church, I have noted some big changes. Women are now serving communion to people and young girls are now "alter boys". I've seen one boy serving as an alter boy recently, just one. As for the girl, she's probably about 12 years old would be my guess with her very proud parents in attendance at every Church event where she has a role in the actual Mass intself. This is beyond belief for many old Catholics that always believe a woman's place is in the home having babies. Period.

He is trying to do good and make some changes slowly which is quite difficult when you consider how many very devout Catholics are still out there -- maybe not in the USA but in other places throughout the world.

I hope this helps and yes, this is a highly confusing issue and it is too bad that not everyone speaks Spanish and have the chance to know the reality of why pope Francis is now the "new pope". New? Not really ...

As for myself, I am indeed Catholic and I suppose it helps a bit around here to have someone that really does know what is going on with the Church these days. In fact, that is why I have been going recently, to keep up with what IS going on.

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Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays [View all] charlie and algernon Sep 2013 OP
I bet there are some Cardinals who are kicking themselves for voting for him right now Drale Sep 2013 #1
Francis would have been the pope no matter what CountAllVotes Sep 2013 #11
It sounds like Pope Francis was popular in Argentina and that might be pnwmom Sep 2013 #32
I just came back from Buenos Aires on Monday. Beacool Sep 2013 #35
Pope Francis is making the church far more popular among non-Catholics eridani Sep 2013 #48
Hope this pope survives because Teacheral Sep 2013 #34
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #37
Welcome Teacheral !! Imagine what Torquemada would say ? orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #51
Probably at least a few feeling pretty good about it too Posteritatis Sep 2013 #49
Fella Does Grow On Me A Little, Sir... The Magistrate Sep 2013 #2
They no longer have the ability to interfere Democrats_win Sep 2013 #3
I'll cut him a little slack on that since he's only been the Head Pope a few months. eShirl Sep 2013 #8
That is happening only in the classical Western countries. former9thward Sep 2013 #53
KnR. If he lives long enough the Church may stop hemorrhaging members ... Hekate Sep 2013 #4
There's an archbishop in MN who needs to read this statement over and over until it sinks in MNBrewer Sep 2013 #5
I've been harping on that for years charlie and algernon Sep 2013 #7
This man may prove to be the most progressive pope in modern history... Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #6
Defintely the most progressive in recent history. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #21
John XXIII was probably the most progressive for his time. Until now. Faygo Kid Sep 2013 #25
I agree. John the XXIII had humility, a deep spirituallity in my opinion and avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #29
I agree with and I was born and have spent 28 years of my life in the Roman Catholic Church gopiscrap Sep 2013 #40
I think this dude sees the writing on the wall... snooper2 Sep 2013 #9
Watch what you ask for, you sometimes gets it happyslug Sep 2013 #13
Blowing leagues? caseymoz Sep 2013 #15
You know.... down at the blowing alley jberryhill Sep 2013 #26
Monica Lewinski's the league president. Didn't you get the memo? bulloney Sep 2013 #27
I meant Bowling leagues happyslug Sep 2013 #28
I know. It's a mistake anybody could make. caseymoz Sep 2013 #46
I heart this Pope. Beacool Sep 2013 #10
Fuck them. Volaris Sep 2013 #24
I agree, screw them!!! Beacool Sep 2013 #38
He has been a surprise given how some predicted ultra conservatism. gordianot Sep 2013 #12
Is the Pope Catholic? caseymoz Sep 2013 #14
That is not true today CountAllVotes Sep 2013 #17
I came of age in the 70s. caseymoz Sep 2013 #23
Luckily I never attended Catholic school CountAllVotes Sep 2013 #39
The first time I ever heard a sermon against homophobia was in a Roman Catholic church struggle4progress Sep 2013 #36
I've never heard one CountAllVotes Sep 2013 #41
Oh he is, he's just smart obama2terms Sep 2013 #61
I really like this Pope Francis Sunlei Sep 2013 #16
I'm liking this pope more and more. highplainsdem Sep 2013 #18
As an estranged Catholic, I applaud Pope Francis bklyncowgirl Sep 2013 #19
As Catholics go, Pope Francis seems like an OK dude. Arkana Sep 2013 #20
If I was Pope tblue Sep 2013 #22
The Church is way bigger than just the latest pope Blandocyte Sep 2013 #30
He is the "most" interesting Pope.... Historic NY Sep 2013 #31
Moral foundation... obxhead Sep 2013 #33
Isn't it rich? Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #42
That's what the Pope is trying to get at. bklyncowgirl Sep 2013 #54
I see authority and foundation as 2 different things. obxhead Sep 2013 #55
That's right Francis..... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #43
If this is one step amongst many towards a more loving church, closeupready Sep 2013 #44
Yes, right now it's only words. Boomerproud Sep 2013 #50
I'd love to get inside this man's head Blasphemer Sep 2013 #45
The Church hierarchy may be finally coming round to Jesus' view... Peace Patriot Sep 2013 #47
I enjoyed your commentary. olegramps Sep 2013 #58
I kind of like this guy. Ken Burch Sep 2013 #52
Almost nothing in the Bible requires harassing or trying to control anyone else. merrily Sep 2013 #56
But it's a-okay if the Church covers up child pedophilia. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #57
So very little, and so very late. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #59
OMG, THIS is THE GUY! bucolic_frolic Sep 2013 #60
Wow. And he will certainly get some heat from treestar Sep 2013 #62
Then the church had fucking better stop funding things like Prop 8!!! Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #63
The Pope had better watch his step . . . OldRedneck Sep 2013 #64
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