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In reply to the discussion: NSA Says Snowden Took Documents From Internal Website: Report... [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)55. That's not the whole program, though.
Frankly, surveilling phone numbers is what the phone company does, so they know what to charge you. And look when they STOPPED doing it (that would be the year Obama took office)--it's not like they were doing it three weeks ago:
From 2006 to 2009, the NSA was found by its judicial regulators in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to be illegally surveilling thousands of phone numbers both inside and outside the United States without reasonable suspicion, according to documents released Tuesday by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence in response to a Freedom of Information Act request from the Electronic Frontier Foundation. On a daily basis, NSA analysts searched massive records of phone call metadata for matches with a so-called Alert List of 17,835 numbers, of which only 1,935 met the legal requirement of reasonable articulable suspicion necessary to track those numbers.
I'm not saying for a second that this isn't "an issue," and that there should not be more transparency with regard to some aspects of it, and that there shouldn't be considerably more judicial oversight over the whole process, but my hair is just not on fire.
Snowden had the No Fear Act and a load of avenues available to him if he truly cared about "the American people" and their privacy. None of his Ars Technica writings suggested that he gave a crap about anyone in that way--that would have been quite the epiphany. Instead, he job hopped to get "better stuff" and then took off to the Russian consulate in Hong Kong, after baiting a little mousetrap for Greenwald to muddy the waters.
I think he thought he'd be able to hang out in Iceland (didn't do the Wikipedia search on the change in government, I guess) or South America, playing the international bad boy. I don't think he counted on having to learn Russian and adjust to that society. If he doesn't like surveillance in the USA, he's going to HATE IT in Russia.
I think he sold the info he snatched to the highest bidder. I hope his asking price was high enough to support him in style in Russia--it's expensive there since the USSR fell. No more subsidies, no more social safety nets....it's like a society run by .... Republicans!
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He had everything to lose and nothing to gain personally for blowing the whistle on...
Indi Guy
Sep 2013
#6
He spent days in the Russian embassy in Hong Kong before traveling to Russia
struggle4progress
Sep 2013
#45
update: just heard in an interview French Press says Snowden was at Russian Embassy
2banon
Sep 2013
#61
It was reported in the Russian paper Kommersant and in the South China Morning Post
struggle4progress
Sep 2013
#62
The Chinese press reported, only days before the Obama-Xi summit, that Snowden
struggle4progress
Sep 2013
#47
I'll let you track down the SCMP links yourself; in my experience, their website is very slow
struggle4progress
Sep 2013
#50
Lol. Please list those countries willing to give asylum that fit your criteria. nt
Democracyinkind
Sep 2013
#38
Beecause the US does not respect our human rights enough to treat Snowden with respect for the
JDPriestly
Sep 2013
#15
One I. T. guy single handedly circumvents the most sophisticated security system in the world
PuffedMica
Sep 2013
#20
No one expected him to be a thief and betray his charge. They won't make that mistake again, I'm
MADem
Sep 2013
#28
The legality of the programs isn't entirely clear. I'm not thrilled, but I'm also not thrilled
MADem
Sep 2013
#51
Snowden has made the USA incapable of understanding that the NSA-PRISM their one and only tool to a
ehcross
Sep 2013
#29
You should study the actual history of 9/11 and disabuse yourself of these silly notions.
Democracyinkind
Sep 2013
#41
because that would mean vilifying a company that pays good money to politicians to not be held
yurbud
Sep 2013
#57
Security guard falls asleep; thieves rob store: we blame the guards AND the thieves
alcibiades_mystery
Sep 2013
#66