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MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. That's not the whole program, though.
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 06:11 AM
Sep 2013

Frankly, surveilling phone numbers is what the phone company does, so they know what to charge you. And look when they STOPPED doing it (that would be the year Obama took office)--it's not like they were doing it three weeks ago:

From 2006 to 2009, the NSA was found by its judicial regulators in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to be illegally surveilling thousands of phone numbers both inside and outside the United States without reasonable suspicion, according to documents released Tuesday by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence in response to a Freedom of Information Act request from the Electronic Frontier Foundation. On a daily basis, NSA analysts searched massive records of phone call metadata for matches with a so-called “Alert List” of 17,835 numbers, of which only 1,935 met the legal requirement of “reasonable articulable suspicion” necessary to track those numbers.


I'm not saying for a second that this isn't "an issue," and that there should not be more transparency with regard to some aspects of it, and that there shouldn't be considerably more judicial oversight over the whole process, but my hair is just not on fire.

Snowden had the No Fear Act and a load of avenues available to him if he truly cared about "the American people" and their privacy. None of his Ars Technica writings suggested that he gave a crap about anyone in that way--that would have been quite the epiphany. Instead, he job hopped to get "better stuff" and then took off to the Russian consulate in Hong Kong, after baiting a little mousetrap for Greenwald to muddy the waters.

I think he thought he'd be able to hang out in Iceland (didn't do the Wikipedia search on the change in government, I guess) or South America, playing the international bad boy. I don't think he counted on having to learn Russian and adjust to that society. If he doesn't like surveillance in the USA, he's going to HATE IT in Russia.

I think he sold the info he snatched to the highest bidder. I hope his asking price was high enough to support him in style in Russia--it's expensive there since the USSR fell. No more subsidies, no more social safety nets....it's like a society run by .... Republicans!
Well rtracey Sep 2013 #1
So Snowden was a thief because he exposed illegal activity??? Indi Guy Sep 2013 #3
Oh, they were a thief alright. Ash_F Sep 2013 #8
Another question: Lonr Sep 2013 #2
really? think_critically Sep 2013 #4
He had everything to lose and nothing to gain personally for blowing the whistle on... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #6
absolutely think_critically Sep 2013 #9
If you were thinking critically... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #12
Seeking asylum in Russia wasn't the intention and I think you know that. (?) 2banon Sep 2013 #14
He spent days in the Russian embassy in Hong Kong before traveling to Russia struggle4progress Sep 2013 #45
You misquoted me.. 2banon Sep 2013 #56
update: just heard in an interview French Press says Snowden was at Russian Embassy 2banon Sep 2013 #61
It was reported in the Russian paper Kommersant and in the South China Morning Post struggle4progress Sep 2013 #62
James Brooke is with VOA.. go figure 2banon Sep 2013 #63
Mebbe you prefer Izvestia? struggle4progress Sep 2013 #64
From your quote: christx30 Sep 2013 #22
Do you honestly believe other countries were in the dark... 2banon Sep 2013 #23
I don't think it's news christx30 Sep 2013 #25
ok.. but I'm unclear .. 2banon Sep 2013 #27
Why does it matter that the 4th amendment is being christx30 Sep 2013 #31
Completely Agree.. 2banon Sep 2013 #44
Let's say it like it is... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #46
Well put! 2banon Sep 2013 #58
The Chinese press reported, only days before the Obama-Xi summit, that Snowden struggle4progress Sep 2013 #47
Got a link? n/t Indi Guy Sep 2013 #48
I'll let you track down the SCMP links yourself; in my experience, their website is very slow struggle4progress Sep 2013 #50
Lol. Please list those countries willing to give asylum that fit your criteria. nt Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #38
So is this DU or a Freedom Works website? Rockyj Sep 2013 #7
After the way Bradley Manning has been treated? n/t TxGrandpa Sep 2013 #11
Beecause the US does not respect our human rights enough to treat Snowden with respect for the JDPriestly Sep 2013 #15
Exactly JDP.. 2banon Sep 2013 #24
Wow!... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #30
Excellent post - thanks! (n/t) Nihil Sep 2013 #37
I hope you will make this an OP. woo me with science Sep 2013 #52
The answer here is simple... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #5
It really is that simple Link Speed Sep 2013 #10
Because there are still a lot of swooners and a lot of surveillance groupies. PSPS Sep 2013 #16
NSA security pretty much sucks. GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #13
The NSA pretty much sucks. PSPS Sep 2013 #19
I'd bet it wouldn't have taken 3 months to get this far in their investigation TriplD Sep 2013 #17
They've really slacked off in the last 20 years htuttle Sep 2013 #18
Thank you for a very interesting link. nt Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #39
One I. T. guy single handedly circumvents the most sophisticated security system in the world PuffedMica Sep 2013 #20
that`s seems to be the truth... madrchsod Sep 2013 #21
Either that... 2banon Sep 2013 #26
No one expected him to be a thief and betray his charge. They won't make that mistake again, I'm MADem Sep 2013 #28
How do view Alexander and Clapper? 2banon Sep 2013 #33
I don't. I don't regard them as the sharpest tools in the shed, certainly. MADem Sep 2013 #35
That's allot of speculation there. Indi Guy Sep 2013 #36
I don't think he did. MADem Sep 2013 #42
How do you feel about the NSA's illegal practices... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #49
The legality of the programs isn't entirely clear. I'm not thrilled, but I'm also not thrilled MADem Sep 2013 #51
Well let's clear up the question of legality first... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #53
That's not the whole program, though. MADem Sep 2013 #55
I respect your opinion, and you may be right, however... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #60
I saw it, and the reason my mind goes the other way MADem Sep 2013 #65
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Indi Guy Sep 2013 #67
Oh sure--I'm not claiming any special insight, here. MADem Sep 2013 #68
One thing that I hope we can agree on is that... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #69
Snowden has made the USA incapable of understanding that the NSA-PRISM their one and only tool to a ehcross Sep 2013 #29
It's clear you actually believe those assertions 2banon Sep 2013 #32
"The NSA doesn't exist to protect American Citizens" Kolesar Sep 2013 #40
I think even a cursory review of it's history... 2banon Sep 2013 #43
Great party line propaganda there ehcross. n/t Indi Guy Sep 2013 #34
You should study the actual history of 9/11 and disabuse yourself of these silly notions. Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #41
''NSA's chief technology officer, Lonny Anderson..... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #54
because that would mean vilifying a company that pays good money to politicians to not be held yurbud Sep 2013 #57
He may have not been the only person who had access to download internal files. Sunlei Sep 2013 #59
Security guard falls asleep; thieves rob store: we blame the guards AND the thieves alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #66
When you say "we" you don't mean DU Democat Sep 2013 #70
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