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denverbill

(11,489 posts)
14. How many people etch circuit boards?
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 12:29 PM
Sep 2013

I'm a programmer and I work with a bunch of other pretty smart programmers and none of us do anything like that. Could I do it? Yeah, probably, if I read up on it and tried it a few times. Could the average phone thief? Not very likely.

And how likely is it that the first time a hacker tries this process it will succeed? CCC has obviously been working on this process off and on for years so they have practice lifting prints, etc.

The thing about the fingerprints is a phone would be covered in prints, from 10 different fingers or more (if a person is showing pictures to other people, etc). Most of the prints will overlap, get smudged, get wiped off sliding in and out of pockets, etc. A thief would have to be handling the phone with a tool to avoid smudging the prints even more. I think the likelihood that he could find one good complete print of the finger he needed would be rather low. And the chances of extracting the print correctly the first time without messing it (and other prints) up wouldn't be too good unless they had practiced the technique.

I seriously think that if you handed me your new iPhone with one and only one perfect fingerprint and told me it was mine free if I could crack it, chances are very low I could do it without help. And even if I could it would take me days if not weeks to do it.

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Um, so to compromise it, you somehow have to get a hi-res image of someone's fingerprint frazzled Sep 2013 #1
Wouldn't be hard to clean it up and interpolate to 2400 if you wanted to. sir pball Sep 2013 #4
Coming soon to a high resolution 3D Printer seveneyes Sep 2013 #7
Riiiiiiiiight ... but how's anyone gonna get my fingerprint? frazzled Sep 2013 #12
Easy Gore1FL Sep 2013 #15
Try reading. frazzled Sep 2013 #18
try reading what? Gore1FL Sep 2013 #22
They would only need a picture of your fingerprint seveneyes Sep 2013 #23
The iPhone stores plenty of fingerprint data. obxhead Sep 2013 #30
Pretty much. apnu Sep 2013 #13
You only have to lift their print from somewhere else. Also super easy to do. TalkingDog Sep 2013 #16
Except social engineering and coercion. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #2
Most don't even lock their phones Major Nikon Sep 2013 #6
Rubber-hose cryptanalysis.. sir pball Sep 2013 #8
OK, assuming you have access to a persons finger, or fingerprints, and apparently a 3D printer. denverbill Sep 2013 #3
Nope. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #9
How many people etch circuit boards? denverbill Sep 2013 #14
Etching a circuit is a lot easier than you think. Don't sell yourself short. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #17
Yeppers. n/t TalkingDog Sep 2013 #19
You make it sound like a 3D printer is still exotic uber-tech sir pball Sep 2013 #24
Didn't mean to imply that. denverbill Sep 2013 #26
Isn't it interesting... onyourleft Sep 2013 #5
'How to hack' is the first step in establishing whether the feature meets the sales hype or not. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #10
Ahhh... to live without all that pesky wonder. TalkingDog Sep 2013 #20
geepers... given that a lost iPhone will be covered with owner's fingerprints tomm2thumbs Sep 2013 #11
with so many of the owner's fingerprints that you might have a heard time getting a clean one. olddad56 Sep 2013 #21
Probably piece one together, and I doubt it actually has to be perfect at 1200dpi sir pball Sep 2013 #25
If I am right handed IBEWVET Sep 2013 #27
Your fingerprint. Your phone. TM99 Sep 2013 #28
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