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31. I understand that he expected that after he relinquishes his parental right, child's mother

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:18 PM

Sep 2013

will raise the child. But that's what happens when one gives up his rights-he had no rights to decide how to raise the child. Child's mother didn't want to raise her.

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Biological dad returns 4-year-old Veronica to adoptive parents [View all] Heidi Sep 2013 OP

No winners. MADem Sep 2013 #1

Pretty much every part of the system failed here Recursion Sep 2013 #5

I'm Not Sure RobinA Sep 2013 #6

The system could have succeeded. They could have left Ronnie Brown with her father. StevieM Sep 2013 #36

This is solvable me b zola Sep 2013 #46

Won't happen. The Supreme Court ruled against the father Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #56

Was not at the U.S Supreme Court...only the Oklahoma S.C. n/t JimDandy Sep 2013 #62

U.S. Supreme Court decision. Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #63

The Supreme Court sent the case back to South Carolina courts JimDandy Sep 2013 #65

That poor little girl davepc Sep 2013 #2

i'm not sure i agree with this ruling, it just seems unfair, but the best thing JI7 Sep 2013 #3

If her father was allowed to come get her tomorrow, she would be jumping for joy. StevieM Sep 2013 #142

that capobianco guy kind of creeps me out JI7 Sep 2013 #145

I heard he got a hair cut to make him look more like Dusten Brown (eom) StevieM Sep 2013 #147

These stories are always heartbreaking for everyone involved. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2013 #4

Everyone loses cosmicone Sep 2013 #7

She wasn't just taken from Oklahoma, she was taken from the Cherokee nation. And I don't believe StevieM Sep 2013 #41

That is a bit cynical cosmicone Sep 2013 #49

Veronica's dad wanted to marry the mother and raise the child together. He backed off to give her StevieM Sep 2013 #58

This kind of duplicitous behavior by the adoptive parents JimDandy Sep 2013 #64

While "recovering dead beat dad" totally should get the kid. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #80

No...a biological father who wants his child absolutely should get his child! JimDandy Sep 2013 #97

The facts do NOT support your assertions. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #101

He did not opt out. Christy perjured herself. And there is no such thing as a father simply StevieM Sep 2013 #105

The second quote was from him. The text was from him. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #109

He didn't "want nothing to do with her"....he wanted to MARRY her StevieM Sep 2013 #111

Read the quote. He didn't want to pay child support. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #113

This is nonsense. He backed off at the behest of the mother. He never intended to leave StevieM Sep 2013 #115

That makes no sense. What would the mother's wishes have to with IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #118

If all of you assertions are true, then why not bring him before a judge, as required by the ICWA? StevieM Sep 2013 #120

You make no sense. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #124

This is nonsense. He was fighting the adoption immediately. I don't know what you are StevieM Sep 2013 #126

Four months old when the second "final" paperwork was presented. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #130

We only have Christy's word that she asked child support and he refused. And I am calling her a liar StevieM Sep 2013 #133

He was NOT deployed when she was born so please stop saying that. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #136

This is ridiculous. He backed off at her request. He never said "I won't pay child support." StevieM Sep 2013 #138

Fact: relinquished rights shortly after born which started the adoption process. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #141

He didn't understand what he was signing because he was FLAT OUT LIED TO StevieM Sep 2013 #144

You keep making stuff up. You need to educate yourself. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #149

He did make it known to the mother that he intended to be part of his daughter's life StevieM Sep 2013 #174

She couldn't afford to take care of the child. She had two other children already. LisaL Sep 2013 #121

Well then she could have taken him to court. Or demanded child support. StevieM Sep 2013 #125

The negotiation for her child support went like this: IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #137

That is not what really happened. That is the LIE that Christie has told at the behest of StevieM Sep 2013 #139

Dude, this guy was a sperm donor for all that he was involved. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #143

That is correct. Everyone else (the mother, the Capobiancos, their lawyer) is lying. StevieM Sep 2013 #146

Everyone else - the mother, the adoptive parents, the lawyer, the guardian ad litem, IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #150

The people you mention are all the proponents of adoption StevieM Sep 2013 #175

Your mind is not influenced by the facts. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #176

Your mind is closed to reality. StevieM Sep 2013 #177

Ooh! I found more information proving you wrong! IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #178

Thank you for the research you've done. Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #180

Thank you. For some reason this case really moved me. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #183

First of all, that is the majority opinion in a 3-2 ruling. StevieM Sep 2013 #182

Do you deny he signed away his parental rights shortly after she was born? IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #185

I honestly have to go, I can reply to your comments at a later date, StevieM Sep 2013 #194

Judges can make some truly fucked up rulings. kcr Sep 2013 #193

And his JUNE text messages (she was born in September) - he's a winner! IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #179

That seems to be pretty definitive proof that he didn't want anything to do with baby Veronica. Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #181

He thought he was talking about custody....he was using the words differently than you are StevieM Sep 2013 #184

We *finally* agree - you can't sign your rights away before a child is born. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #187

Do you have any proof of this, Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #189

Exactly. Why aren't we seeing the texts that's responding to. kcr Sep 2013 #191

Signing those papers was the very LAST step in the process, not the first step. Nine Sep 2013 #186

I think you have that backwards. kcr Sep 2013 #188

This is nonsense. He didn't even know who the Capobiancos were, or that their was StevieM Sep 2013 #190

Speaking from experience, you are 100% correct. Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #192

"The adopters knew IMMEDIATELY that he didn't want it" Nine Sep 2013 #154

^=== This. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #160

You know, I fully support holding parents to their child support obligtion kcr Sep 2013 #152

The evidence is that it happened like it was supposed to. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #155

Where, in post 149, does it show it went down that way kcr Sep 2013 #157

The links show the law. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #158

I'm sorry kcr Sep 2013 #159

The only person saying that is HIM, and he isn't exactly "Mr. Credible." IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #161

That would be the point of doing everything above board, as I said. kcr Sep 2013 #162

A) He relinquished FIRST when she was BORN so the process could start. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #164

No, I'm not missing anything kcr Sep 2013 #165

SNEAK is a misrepresentation. Being an absentee father (while in the country) IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #167

Well, gee. kcr Sep 2013 #168

In What World erpowers Sep 2013 #117

The texts saying he didn't want to pay child support and was relinquishing IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #119

Not True erpowers Sep 2013 #129

Do you know anyone who gets out of child support? IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #131

Actually, In This World RobinA Sep 2013 #153

Deployed. politicat Sep 2013 #72

The deployment happened AFTER she was born. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #116

Have you ever deployed? politicat Sep 2013 #135

He knew she was pregnant for nine months. He was not deployed. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #140

So moving to South Carolina Politicalboi Sep 2013 #53

California would have been better cosmicone Sep 2013 #59

Just Horrible erpowers Sep 2013 #8

How did he want the girl from the beginning? LisaL Sep 2013 #19

Dusten didn't know what he was sigining. StevieM Sep 2013 #42

I didn't know they let people in the services who can't read. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #81

Well, for someone who didn't want her Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #100

He bailed while the mom was pregnant and the baby wasn't "real" to him. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #102

Thought He Was Giving Temporary Custody To Child's Mother erpowers Sep 2013 #51

Why would he think he needed to sign the custody over to the mother, considering LisaL Sep 2013 #69

How can you defend the taking of a child from its parent to give it to strangers? me b zola Sep 2013 #74

Are you serious? The self entitled jerk is the guy IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #79

I hadn't been following this case. Nine Sep 2013 #89

In the NPR story, there is a line from him that just fills me with RAGE: IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #90

That fills you with rage? Really? kcr Sep 2013 #163

Yes, there are many dead beats out there, and many men who seek to avoid child support. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #166

A deadbeat dad, in the sense that they don't want to pay child support kcr Sep 2013 #169

Ah. Much explained. "Whatever." IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #170

It's not how I was raised. It's the law. kcr Sep 2013 #171

It is also how you were raised to find inappropriate behavior acceptable. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #172

More explained. Your jumping to conclusions and thinking you know everything about people kcr Sep 2013 #173

Exactly. They we DESPERATE for her. Dusten just plain loves his daughter. And he tried to work StevieM Sep 2013 #104

They were engaged before the pregnancy. The relationship ended. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #114

From my point of view it is not "oh the poor man"... me b zola Sep 2013 #196

His Plan erpowers Sep 2013 #76

Except he made no child support arrangements or anything else IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #78

Disagree. He gave up custody. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #77

Thought He Was Giving Custody To Child's Mother erpowers Sep 2013 #85

He was told "pay child support or give up custody." IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #86