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41. She wasn't just taken from Oklahoma, she was taken from the Cherokee nation. And I don't believe

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:30 PM

Sep 2013

that her adoptive parents love her--they covet her. They loved the idea of parenthood so much that they were willing to take a child away from her biological father. And they knew from the beginning that he wanted her, and did everything they could to facilitate the adoption anyway.

Everyone did not loose. Veronica and her dad lost. The adoptive parents won and the lawyer who made money off the adoption won.

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Biological dad returns 4-year-old Veronica to adoptive parents [View all] Heidi Sep 2013 OP

No winners. MADem Sep 2013 #1

Pretty much every part of the system failed here Recursion Sep 2013 #5

I'm Not Sure RobinA Sep 2013 #6

The system could have succeeded. They could have left Ronnie Brown with her father. StevieM Sep 2013 #36

This is solvable me b zola Sep 2013 #46

Won't happen. The Supreme Court ruled against the father Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #56

Was not at the U.S Supreme Court...only the Oklahoma S.C. n/t JimDandy Sep 2013 #62

U.S. Supreme Court decision. Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #63

The Supreme Court sent the case back to South Carolina courts JimDandy Sep 2013 #65

That poor little girl davepc Sep 2013 #2

i'm not sure i agree with this ruling, it just seems unfair, but the best thing JI7 Sep 2013 #3

If her father was allowed to come get her tomorrow, she would be jumping for joy. StevieM Sep 2013 #142

that capobianco guy kind of creeps me out JI7 Sep 2013 #145

I heard he got a hair cut to make him look more like Dusten Brown (eom) StevieM Sep 2013 #147

These stories are always heartbreaking for everyone involved. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2013 #4

Everyone loses cosmicone Sep 2013 #7

She wasn't just taken from Oklahoma, she was taken from the Cherokee nation. And I don't believe StevieM Sep 2013 #41

That is a bit cynical cosmicone Sep 2013 #49

Veronica's dad wanted to marry the mother and raise the child together. He backed off to give her StevieM Sep 2013 #58

This kind of duplicitous behavior by the adoptive parents JimDandy Sep 2013 #64

While "recovering dead beat dad" totally should get the kid. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #80

No...a biological father who wants his child absolutely should get his child! JimDandy Sep 2013 #97

The facts do NOT support your assertions. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #101

He did not opt out. Christy perjured herself. And there is no such thing as a father simply StevieM Sep 2013 #105

The second quote was from him. The text was from him. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #109

He didn't "want nothing to do with her"....he wanted to MARRY her StevieM Sep 2013 #111

Read the quote. He didn't want to pay child support. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #113

This is nonsense. He backed off at the behest of the mother. He never intended to leave StevieM Sep 2013 #115

That makes no sense. What would the mother's wishes have to with IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #118

If all of you assertions are true, then why not bring him before a judge, as required by the ICWA? StevieM Sep 2013 #120

You make no sense. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #124

This is nonsense. He was fighting the adoption immediately. I don't know what you are StevieM Sep 2013 #126

Four months old when the second "final" paperwork was presented. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #130

We only have Christy's word that she asked child support and he refused. And I am calling her a liar StevieM Sep 2013 #133

He was NOT deployed when she was born so please stop saying that. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #136

This is ridiculous. He backed off at her request. He never said "I won't pay child support." StevieM Sep 2013 #138

Fact: relinquished rights shortly after born which started the adoption process. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #141

He didn't understand what he was signing because he was FLAT OUT LIED TO StevieM Sep 2013 #144

You keep making stuff up. You need to educate yourself. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #149

He did make it known to the mother that he intended to be part of his daughter's life StevieM Sep 2013 #174

She couldn't afford to take care of the child. She had two other children already. LisaL Sep 2013 #121

Well then she could have taken him to court. Or demanded child support. StevieM Sep 2013 #125

The negotiation for her child support went like this: IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #137

That is not what really happened. That is the LIE that Christie has told at the behest of StevieM Sep 2013 #139

Dude, this guy was a sperm donor for all that he was involved. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #143

That is correct. Everyone else (the mother, the Capobiancos, their lawyer) is lying. StevieM Sep 2013 #146

Everyone else - the mother, the adoptive parents, the lawyer, the guardian ad litem, IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #150

The people you mention are all the proponents of adoption StevieM Sep 2013 #175

Your mind is not influenced by the facts. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #176

Your mind is closed to reality. StevieM Sep 2013 #177

Ooh! I found more information proving you wrong! IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #178

Thank you for the research you've done. Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #180

Thank you. For some reason this case really moved me. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #183

First of all, that is the majority opinion in a 3-2 ruling. StevieM Sep 2013 #182

Do you deny he signed away his parental rights shortly after she was born? IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #185

I honestly have to go, I can reply to your comments at a later date, StevieM Sep 2013 #194

Judges can make some truly fucked up rulings. kcr Sep 2013 #193

And his JUNE text messages (she was born in September) - he's a winner! IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #179

That seems to be pretty definitive proof that he didn't want anything to do with baby Veronica. Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #181

He thought he was talking about custody....he was using the words differently than you are StevieM Sep 2013 #184

We *finally* agree - you can't sign your rights away before a child is born. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #187

Do you have any proof of this, Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #189

Exactly. Why aren't we seeing the texts that's responding to. kcr Sep 2013 #191

Signing those papers was the very LAST step in the process, not the first step. Nine Sep 2013 #186

I think you have that backwards. kcr Sep 2013 #188

This is nonsense. He didn't even know who the Capobiancos were, or that their was StevieM Sep 2013 #190

Speaking from experience, you are 100% correct. Hardlyaround Sep 2013 #192

"The adopters knew IMMEDIATELY that he didn't want it" Nine Sep 2013 #154

^=== This. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #160

You know, I fully support holding parents to their child support obligtion kcr Sep 2013 #152

The evidence is that it happened like it was supposed to. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #155

Where, in post 149, does it show it went down that way kcr Sep 2013 #157

The links show the law. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #158

I'm sorry kcr Sep 2013 #159

The only person saying that is HIM, and he isn't exactly "Mr. Credible." IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #161

That would be the point of doing everything above board, as I said. kcr Sep 2013 #162

A) He relinquished FIRST when she was BORN so the process could start. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #164

No, I'm not missing anything kcr Sep 2013 #165

SNEAK is a misrepresentation. Being an absentee father (while in the country) IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #167

Well, gee. kcr Sep 2013 #168

In What World erpowers Sep 2013 #117

The texts saying he didn't want to pay child support and was relinquishing IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #119

Not True erpowers Sep 2013 #129

Do you know anyone who gets out of child support? IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #131

Actually, In This World RobinA Sep 2013 #153

Deployed. politicat Sep 2013 #72

The deployment happened AFTER she was born. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #116

Have you ever deployed? politicat Sep 2013 #135

He knew she was pregnant for nine months. He was not deployed. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #140

So moving to South Carolina Politicalboi Sep 2013 #53

California would have been better cosmicone Sep 2013 #59

Just Horrible erpowers Sep 2013 #8

How did he want the girl from the beginning? LisaL Sep 2013 #19

Dusten didn't know what he was sigining. StevieM Sep 2013 #42

I didn't know they let people in the services who can't read. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #81

Well, for someone who didn't want her Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #100

He bailed while the mom was pregnant and the baby wasn't "real" to him. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #102

Thought He Was Giving Temporary Custody To Child's Mother erpowers Sep 2013 #51

Why would he think he needed to sign the custody over to the mother, considering LisaL Sep 2013 #69

How can you defend the taking of a child from its parent to give it to strangers? me b zola Sep 2013 #74

Are you serious? The self entitled jerk is the guy IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #79

I hadn't been following this case. Nine Sep 2013 #89

In the NPR story, there is a line from him that just fills me with RAGE: IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #90

That fills you with rage? Really? kcr Sep 2013 #163

Yes, there are many dead beats out there, and many men who seek to avoid child support. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #166

A deadbeat dad, in the sense that they don't want to pay child support kcr Sep 2013 #169

Ah. Much explained. "Whatever." IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #170

It's not how I was raised. It's the law. kcr Sep 2013 #171

It is also how you were raised to find inappropriate behavior acceptable. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #172

More explained. Your jumping to conclusions and thinking you know everything about people kcr Sep 2013 #173

Exactly. They we DESPERATE for her. Dusten just plain loves his daughter. And he tried to work StevieM Sep 2013 #104

They were engaged before the pregnancy. The relationship ended. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #114

From my point of view it is not "oh the poor man"... me b zola Sep 2013 #196

His Plan erpowers Sep 2013 #76

Except he made no child support arrangements or anything else IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #78

Disagree. He gave up custody. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #77

Thought He Was Giving Custody To Child's Mother erpowers Sep 2013 #85

He was told "pay child support or give up custody." IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #86