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22. Lotus

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 06:32 PM

Sep 2013

No one likes to be spied on, but in the real world, all nations, even the closest allies spy on each other. Dilma knows this, but she has serious economic issues at home (including unprecedented demonstrations), so she is using the first rule of realpolitik, unite your people against the external threat. Having been a foreign service officer, I would not at all be surprised if Dilma informed the USG via back channel that it's nothing personal, but I have to distract my people so please understand if I have to call you out publicly.

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At U.N., Brazil's Rousseff blasts U.S. spying as breach of law [View all] AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 OP

K&R nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2013 #1

So your leaks were really helpful, Snowflake. pnwmom Sep 2013 #2

Thank the national security surveillance state. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #5

Thank the national security surveillance state. ehcross Sep 2013 #24

The risk to the United States from terrorism is minuscule. ronnie624 Sep 2013 #31

does the Brazilian oil sector represent a "terrorist" threat? Alamuti Lotus Sep 2013 #42

indeed they were.... mike_c Sep 2013 #7

Do you think the spying on thus President broke international law? nt Prometheus Perez Sep 2013 #9

Oh, so you'd be ok with Putin reading President Obama's emails? n/t Hydra Sep 2013 #12

I think that sort of approval only goes one direction Alamuti Lotus Sep 2013 #15

IKR? Hydra Sep 2013 #16

Killing the messenger again. cui bono Sep 2013 #26

President Rousseff must think a word to the wise is sufficient indepat Sep 2013 #3

She is just the only one with the independence to be able to say it out loud. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #4

Most of those leaders do the same thing. They just don't acknowledge it. nt pnwmom Sep 2013 #14

What do you mean? "do the same thing"? What is the "thing." JDPriestly Sep 2013 #28

Brazil Intelligence Agency Monitors Social Networks hack89 Sep 2013 #69

Placing people suspected of violence in demonstrations under surveillance is very JDPriestly Sep 2013 #73

Spying on your own citizens is worse in my mind. hack89 Sep 2013 #74

That's a rationalization, and you don't even know if it's true or not. ronnie624 Sep 2013 #32

There is no international law against spying. joshcryer Sep 2013 #37

Good! I'm glad this is now on the table for international discussion. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #6

Dilma rso Sep 2013 #8

You're so right! Everybody loves to be spied on, this is obviously just an act. Alamuti Lotus Sep 2013 #10

What is an act pnwmom Sep 2013 #13

.... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #18

The lengths that some people will go to rationalize...is just adorable. Alamuti Lotus Sep 2013 #20

If it's known to be standard procedure why did you post negatively above regarding Snowden's leaks? cui bono Sep 2013 #27

Good question, cui bono. I can't wait for the reply. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #29

When the point can't be argued, kill the messenger. n/t DeSwiss Sep 2013 #17

Lotus rso Sep 2013 #22

Exactly. And Dilma will be first in line to ask for our intel help to protect the World Cup games. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #11

So, if she wants US help combatting terrorism and crime she has to agree to Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #54

She can't dictate where our agencies need to search. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #56

Well, there are some pragmatic issues as well. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #57

The U.S. is not saying fuck off, Dilma is. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #58

"She can't dictate where our agencies need to search" GliderGuider Sep 2013 #60

I'm just stating a fact. A fact Dilma already knows, so it need not be repeated. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #61

If the US is going to treat nations as hostiles by spying on them GliderGuider Sep 2013 #62

No, Snowden/GG gave Brazil the club. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #63

Ah, now we see the real issue. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #64

Your attempts to portray this woman who suffered horrendously in prison Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #79

I just call them as I see them. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #80

She is a leftist. She is decent. She doesn't bomb people. Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #81

"It is up to the expert judgment of our intelligence agencies..." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #59

You need to spend more time learning about the subjects you attempt to discuss. Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #25

+1000 DeSwiss Sep 2013 #34

Dilma rso Sep 2013 #44

You say "I am a retired US Diplomat (Foreign Service Officer) and served in Brazil". AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #49

McIntosh rso Sep 2013 #51

You're too funny. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #52

McIntosh rso Sep 2013 #53

I appreciate your intelligent, substantive addition to this discussion, rso. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #65

SunSeeker rso Sep 2013 #67

I'm the inventor of the wheel. U4ikLefty Sep 2013 #87

It's not possible to put stock in the words of anyone who claims experience Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #71

Judi Lynn rso Sep 2013 #75

Is it a great idea for former diplomats to post on progressive message boards Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #76

judi lynn rso Sep 2013 #78

"our backyard" ronnie624 Sep 2013 #82

ronnie rso Sep 2013 #84

The Pentagon, in it's own words, ronnie624 Sep 2013 #85

ronnie rso Sep 2013 #86

It has never been more important that US citizens start trying to put the pieces together, Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #89

And the ABIN never would do such One_Life_To_Give Sep 2013 #19

Heh, ironically ABIN got caught spying on Brazil's own officials: joshcryer Sep 2013 #38

Dilma and Brazil needs to get over themselves BluegrassDem Sep 2013 #21

The tiny risk posed by terrorism, ronnie624 Sep 2013 #33

WTF? DeSwiss Sep 2013 #35

Is there an international law against spying? BluegrassDem Sep 2013 #39

Yes there is. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #40

So is speeding One_Life_To_Give Sep 2013 #50

Yes speeding is illegal in most countries. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #68

We have been caught thousands of times One_Life_To_Give Sep 2013 #72

Sound like you're okay with the U.S. spying on Brazil. U4ikLefty Sep 2013 #88

Spying on friendly countries is sometimes necessary to protect friendship ehcross Oct 2013 #90

''Spying on friendly countries is sometimes necessary to protect friendship'' DeSwiss Oct 2013 #91

She'd better check herself, the US could back another military dictatorship in Brazil Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #41

I don't think they can pull it off. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #43

"Syria broke the cycle." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #55

You don't think they can keep a lid on things if conservatives like Lynn Cheney Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #77

Outrageous. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #47

Profound post. ronnie624 Sep 2013 #83

Also damnedifIknow Sep 2013 #23

She is right. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #30

And, of course, no freedom of the press and no jouralists who can exercise independence contrary to AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #48

MINUSTAH joshcryer Sep 2013 #36

These things do tend to snowball, once they get started. bemildred Sep 2013 #45

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #46

Violates Article 12 - UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights askeptic Sep 2013 #66

Brazil Intelligence Agency Monitors Social Networks hack89 Sep 2013 #70