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293. You specified the opening of the door as a reason for fear.

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 12:35 PM

Oct 2013

I accept your revised claim, as an allegation. It MAY be true.

It may also be that they did not bang on his car, and that the tire was flattened by running over the bike. More evidence required to substantiate the allegations.

How reasonable Mr. Lien's fear, precipitating him running over a human in evasion, remains to be substantiated.

The events, including him being pulled from the car and beaten, cannot be used to justify that fear after the fact, because he seriously injured a person, and appears to be engaged in a hit and run, AFTER he decides to flee.

Having had an angry mob around my car at one point, I can sympathize. It's unnerving. I do not agree that it, in all cases, justifies running people over to escape. (I was in my Rodeo, surrounded by not very reasonable people, engaged in tit-for-tat with the SPD during the Seattle WTO riots. Initially they were upset with us, rocking the car, etc, but my wife and I were able to de-escalate the situation and drive away safely, and without property damage or personal injury.)

I need to see what happened, at the car, before he runs over the bike, to understand whether that attempt to escape was worth paralyzing a human being for.

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Caught on video: Father with family in SUV chased, beaten by speed-demon bikers [View all] ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 OP

Those maggot mobiles (the proper term for a motorcycle) should be Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #1

"maggot mobiles"? Ouch! Never heard THAT one before. 7962 Sep 2013 #5

Motorcyclists think they own the road. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #6

You realize there's a subforum of motorcycle riders right here on DU right? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #14

All Motorcyclists? ProgressiveJarhead Sep 2013 #16

motorcyclists think they own the road? frylock Sep 2013 #32

I'm not going to jump on MC riders, but... CANDO Sep 2013 #134

Nice over-generalization ut oh Sep 2013 #117

Ditto, and i would never think of shooting b/w cars. There are several subsets of bike riders! Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #141

? Skittles Sep 2013 #143

That's not a fair statement pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #154

multiple vehicle accidents involving motorcycles energumen Oct 2013 #227

OH. ffr Sep 2013 #15

The video is in the actual OP nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #19

Actually, it's in the link to the OP, to be technical. ffr Sep 2013 #31

Defensive about what? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #35

You get the last word. ffr Sep 2013 #39

LBN=Latest Breaking News ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Dash87 Sep 2013 #30

I believe it ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #33

The MCs shouldn't have stopped the driver for sure. ffr Sep 2013 #34

Most in the group took their license plates off AngryAmish Oct 2013 #169

Video shows a cyclist deliberately pulls in front of SUV and brakes JimDandy Sep 2013 #124

Yes, what the heck was that about?! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #155

That was the 'broken leg'? man clipped by car.. charged with reckless endangerment and endangering.. Sunlei Oct 2013 #202

Republican House on Vacation. nm LeFleur1 Oct 2013 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Jun 2015 #405

They think they're Sons of Anarchy graywarrior Sep 2013 #2

+1 freshwest Sep 2013 #140

He should have run those assholes over. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #3

he did frylock Sep 2013 #44

No, he ran over their bikes. MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #53

motorcyclists are threatened every day due to inattentive or careless drivers.. frylock Sep 2013 #58

Still didn't run over "bikers" MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #61

Lien hit the gas and plowed through at least three motorcycles and struck one rider.. frylock Sep 2013 #65

Same article says... MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #96

i guess i'm defending riders against the prevailing view in this thread.. frylock Sep 2013 #109

I agree that language is out of line. MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #115

i'm probably taking this a little more personally than i should, but in the last 5 days.. frylock Sep 2013 #119

Don't ride a bike then cosmicone Sep 2013 #123

okay then.. frylock Sep 2013 #133

It doesn't matter who is at fault Politicub Oct 2013 #314

Maybe the guy in the SUV should take that advice as well. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #176

I know what you mean Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #132

I understand that that kind of behavior by other drivers is scarier when you're on a bike dflprincess Oct 2013 #266

I assume you have never gone riding with 30 or so friends on urban streets truebluegreen Oct 2013 #403

frylock have you ever tried to force a vehicle to stop with your own bike? Ash_F Sep 2013 #146

Also they checked a completely innocent bystander in attempt to stop him. Ash_F Sep 2013 #148

The article linked in the OP made it clear n/t whopis01 Oct 2013 #160

Actually it doesn't. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #177

From your link... RedFury Oct 2013 #385

Times is reporting today that one of the riders has two broken legs. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #175

And yet... MirrorAshes Oct 2013 #194

Yeah, the cops let Zimmerman go home the first night too. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #207

Oh, it gets better. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #208

There are some ugly comments on Jay Meezee Facebook page pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #264

Certainly. RedFury Oct 2013 #386

Except for possibly the alleged tire slashing AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #389

And look, this article says the same FUCKING THING I AM SAYING. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #210

Uhh, actually no. MirrorAshes Oct 2013 #234

You might want to read it again. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #236

Ironically, the first thought at seeing a Range Rover drive away should have been Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #63

Wise points. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #178

and the subsequent beating was just as disproportionate... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #184

True. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #186

Here's the latest AP Reporting: wercal Oct 2013 #252

And the New York Times reports it yet differently. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #255

The disproportionate response was the bikers attacking his vehicle after the initial contact - Bonx Oct 2013 #193

There's no evidence in the video of that happening. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #196

Sure there is Bonx Oct 2013 #200

That's not true, his tires are not cut. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #205

Grasping at straws. Bonx Oct 2013 #211

They are going to need lawyers undoubtably. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #214

RE: "Kindly point out said 'straws'." Bonx Oct 2013 #218

He was forced to stop by a wall of stopped cars in front of him. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #220

Sorry, I don't trust your judgement on the condition of the tires. Bonx Oct 2013 #222

I linked you a photo of the car AFTER the window is broken. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #223

You linked an article, that I quoted. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #225

And yet the photos in the article show something different than the quote. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #226

The photos/video are inconclusive Bonx Oct 2013 #228

Yet there are multiple articles with different time specifications on when the tires were damaged. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #231

The SUV driver probably made the whole thing up. Bonx Oct 2013 #242

You certainly appear to be denying the SUV the same benefit of the doubt you are generously giving t LanternWaste Oct 2013 #254

Not accurate. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #257

You contend that is all you've pointed out? LanternWaste Oct 2013 #301

Specific to his choice to flee the initial encounter, yes. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #303

I've simply read many more posts of yours allowing benefits of the doubt to the bikers... LanternWaste Oct 2013 #321

Keep reading. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #322

Actually... RedFury Oct 2013 #387

The right front tire was damaged. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #390

They tried to open his door. He was in fear. I think he Jenoch Oct 2013 #269

Why does everyone have so much trouble with the goddamn space-time continuum. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #270

They DID intimidate the driver and his wife, Jenoch Oct 2013 #271

You're wasting your time. He's on a crusade. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #273

Well, you're going to have to cite that. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #277

Why are you so hell bent on defending the thugs on motorcycles? Jenoch Oct 2013 #279

Your source doesn't claim what you claimed. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #280

I never claimed the door was opened. Jenoch Oct 2013 #283

That's why I made the space/time comment. You either AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #285

You are not going to convince me that Mr. Lien was not in fear for his life and the lives of his Jenoch Oct 2013 #291

You specified the opening of the door as a reason for fear. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #293

I did not revise any claim. Jenoch Oct 2013 #297

Please don't double down on that error. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #299

The video shows that the SUV Jenoch Oct 2013 #300

I am prepared to lay the ENTIRE blame at the biker's feet AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #302

You want evidence that Mr. Lien's vehicle was attacked Jenoch Oct 2013 #333

Multiple possibilities. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #334

At 3:04 opf the video you see the tire tread rolling down the road AngryAmish Oct 2013 #340

I'm missing the eyewitness testimony here. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #341

I think the police are impartial, no? AngryAmish Oct 2013 #343

No, I do not think the police are impartial. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #344

The PASSENGER SIDE FRONT TIRE WAS SLASHED. See bottom of thread for pic. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #345

I know which tire. Thank you. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #346

Another possibility: Maybe he ran over an explosive squirrel ? -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #351

I like that you are so dismissive, when I point out real possibilities. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #352

Your 'real possibilities' are more like moving goalposts. Bonx Oct 2013 #360

Except of course the statements by the bikers themselves. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #361

Every single biker that was at the bump/mob-attack scene... Bonx Oct 2013 #364

We shall see. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #365

The explosive squirrel is a better bet. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #366

Jolly good of them. Exemplary riders for not beating a two year old and a woman... RedFury Oct 2013 #388

And yet AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #392

Did you perhaps notice the gang of bikers STOPPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #73

did you perhaps not notice my post wondering what happened in the lead up to that? frylock Sep 2013 #77

Don't pull the oppresed motorcyclist bullshit with me Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #79

I had to chase down a hit and run like that in my car once. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #86

Let me guess, you got 30 of your friends to join you Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #92

Oh please. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #93

And once again, that happened after they had stopped and encircled him Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #99

Maybe they were waiting for the cops? You have NO IDEA what happened behind that wall of people. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #101

"I'm sorry officer, I happened to slash the man's face with a knife Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #104

Your grasp of timelines is as feeble as your grasp of the law around hit and run. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #106

No, he was slashed AFTER that. Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #107

So, where's your justification for him running a man over, breaking his leg, and fleeing the scene AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #108

Actually, I consider thirty or forty men Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #110

So you've got nothing. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #111

Bwhahahaha! Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #113

Again, until he ran one of them over, there was no mob attack, per THIS video. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #116

The SUV driver was surrounded by guys on motorcycles. Jenoch Oct 2013 #268

LOL MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #112

Until he ran over that bike, there is no evidence of a mob attack. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #114

Oh, of course not. They circled his vehicle to tell him his taillight was out NickB79 Sep 2013 #135

Again, using events AFTER HE RAN A HUMAN BEING OVER to justify running a human being over. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #136

Being surrounded by a mob is often a precursor to a mob attack Politicub Oct 2013 #315

Presupposes evidence not on the video. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #316

You have this bizarre narrative in your mind that you defend as fact Politicub Oct 2013 #317

It's right there in the video. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #319

The problem with that is it makes you a criminal whopis01 Oct 2013 #161

Once a person commits a felony, the rules change. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #163

They pulled him from his vehicle, beat him and cut him whopis01 Oct 2013 #165

Again, using events AFTER he ran, to justify fleeing. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #167

What do you mean "justify his fleeing"? whopis01 Oct 2013 #185

That's what it sounds like you are saying. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #188

I never once said the driver was justified in fleeing. I said things to the opposite of that. whopis01 Oct 2013 #201

I am perhaps AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #206

I'm saying the man in the SUV is blameless. ALL of this was the fault of the bikers-nt Bonx Oct 2013 #174

For me, it is hard to tell whopis01 Oct 2013 #191

Assumes facts not in evidence. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #216

The SUV driver's statement to police is evidence AngryAmish Oct 2013 #230

As are the statements from multiple bikers that say no such thing happened before he AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #233

I have not seen any accounts of their statements AngryAmish Oct 2013 #237

It was in the Times this morning. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #238

And Towles gentleman, why do you find his statement credible? AngryAmish Oct 2013 #239

Because of the reported claims by Lien that do not AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #276

Someone found this evidence cpwm17 Oct 2013 #338

I pointed out the ABC/NBC news photo of the bare rim yesterday. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #349

The mob attack news update function on my computer is broken cpwm17 Oct 2013 #350

they're lying TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #325

That doesn't mean they are lying. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #327

Oh please! TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #329

Strawman. I did not say they are innocent, let alone using a colorful simile to a young sheep. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #331

I agree the beating crossed a line. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #215

If you reach in someones car in traffic, and you're not a police officer Bonx Oct 2013 #219

I may have saved a life doing just that. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #221

So basically the exact same situation as this one. Bonx Oct 2013 #224

+1000 TeamPooka Sep 2013 #98

This group was attempting to close the road for stunt riding jberryhill Oct 2013 #203

You want to know what led up to the event? Nothing. wercal Oct 2013 #253

incorrect.. frylock Oct 2013 #258

So that gives them permission to swarm the vehicle and force it to a stop? wercal Oct 2013 #260

Actually it does. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #278

No it doesn't wercal Oct 2013 #292

You can yell at people. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #295

Well we definitely disagree about some of this wercal Oct 2013 #323

Most of the arrested riders had nothing to do with this incident. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #326

"Just Slowed Down"? wercal Oct 2013 #328

Yes, he just slowed down. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #330

No ticket wercal Oct 2013 #332

About RedFury Oct 2013 #393

It clearly wasn't felony hit and run cpwm17 Oct 2013 #294

I'm not talking about that contact. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #296

But the group as a whole was engaging in aggressive behavior before causing the collision cpwm17 Oct 2013 #305

He claimed to fear for his wife and child. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #307

I was ignoring the allegations concerning the riders' behavior after the crash in my last post cpwm17 Oct 2013 #308

Yet that mob only harmed him, and not his wife and child. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #309

Actually, the SUV driver needed to detain the riders cpwm17 Oct 2013 #310

We really should agree to disagree but AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #313

"detain him until police arrive..." cemaphonic Oct 2013 #336

"while they show admirable restraint for not also beating up a toddler." penultimate Oct 2013 #382

+1 n/t cosmicone Sep 2013 #126

Here, since Google is apparently too hard for you to use Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #78

yes, google is so hard for me to use that i linked that story 20 minutes ago.. frylock Sep 2013 #81

Your apologist bullshit aside Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #82

gee whiz, mister. it's like i condoned the KILLING of him.. frylock Sep 2013 #90

Nothing? Really? Seattle police arrested an asshole for doing this to bicyclists. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #118

When I drive a sedan, I give deference to trucks and big rigs cosmicone Sep 2013 #127

When I drive my car Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #131

It's not necessarily about deference... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #204

define deference.. frylock Oct 2013 #232

Safety and deference go both ways... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #246

in a rider but energumen Oct 2013 #229

I have plenty of careless and inattentive drives almost hit me booley Oct 2013 #356

Well one ended up with a broken leg whopis01 Oct 2013 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Jun 2015 #407

This message was self-deleted by its author name not needed Sep 2013 #139

When are leaders of the white community going to speak out against these gangs of white men? Scuba Sep 2013 #4

Did you actually watch the video? Both blacks and whites are nicely represented. 7962 Sep 2013 #13

Yes, I watched all of it. I only saw whites, of course they all wore helmets. If you didn't see ... Scuba Sep 2013 #60

Video Taped. yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #7

The NYPD and D.A. continue to thank idiots who put their crimes on social media... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #11

Hey! You beat me to it. ffr Sep 2013 #18

It must be my Ninja like reflexes .... yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #21

Small man parts The Wizard Sep 2013 #8

If any story demonstrates that people don't think for themselves, closeupready Sep 2013 #9

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #12

So you dont see the biker pull in front of the guy and stop? 7962 Sep 2013 #17

I suppose I'm not seeing it clearly... closeupready Sep 2013 #22

Oh I cant stand SUVs PERIOD. But in this case you can see the guy. 7962 Sep 2013 #47

Except, that may not have been the start of the altercation. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #74

But to be fair, it's not like the bikers were in ANYTHING resembling an organized formation... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #49

Hitting and running is a crime. closeupready Sep 2013 #50

Funny how none of those bikers reported the hit-and-run to the cops when they arrived Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #52

If multiple guys surround my car with my wife and kid inside.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2013 #67

They stopped a car on the West Side Highway and surrounded his vehicle ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #68

Intentionally decelerating in front of someone's moving vehicle is a crime. The Stranger Oct 2013 #180

Are you stupid or just blind? Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #69

Why did they stop him? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #76

There was a fender bender, and the SUV stopped, like he should have Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #80

I watched the fucking video. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #84

I'm sorry, I must have missed the law where it says Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #88

You don't know if they behaved in a threatening manner. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #97

The bike drove in front of him and slowed down. LisaL Oct 2013 #287

I don't think he was expecting the range rover to hit him. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #289

When you are on a bike, you drive in front of an SUV, and slow down, what does that say about LisaL Oct 2013 #288

That you are committing a moving violation. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #290

Can you show me the law where it says you have a right to stop traffic en masse Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #87

You have a feeble grasp of the law. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #89

Oh let me guess, once again, you got 30 of your friends Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #95

I have gotten in a high speed pursuit with the police/911 dispatcher on the phone. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #100

Even if I believed you (which I don't) Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #102

You keep conflating what they did in response, to what happened before the car driver ran over that AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #103

And maybe it was actually King Kong that fell down from the sky and Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #105

The video is clear proof of the SUV being threatened. MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #120

Tough shit. He didn't have anywhere to be anyway. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #121

Haha. Wow. WTF. You are a piece of work. MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #125

The initial contact on the video is inexcusable. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2013 #147

Watch the video. Jenoch Oct 2013 #267

I Can't Speak For Sport Bike Riders ProgressiveJarhead Sep 2013 #20

But don't you think the SUV was too close to begin with? closeupready Sep 2013 #24

You don't see them clearly encircling the SUV at that point? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #26

Maybe, I'm not sure, I'll look at it more closely later. closeupready Sep 2013 #27

Uh huh ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2013 #37

Put some fucking glasses on when you do so. n/t Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #72

Haha BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #23

That is absolutely insane. The Stranger Oct 2013 #179

Something had to happen before the first contact in this video KurtNYC Oct 2013 #244

Oh please. LisaL Oct 2013 #286

How about these bikers are assholes who wanted the road clear for their own ride telclaven Oct 2013 #312

mellow out man, they don't want to be hassled by the man... KurtNYC Oct 2013 #318

OMG! this was so scary to watch!!!!!!!!!! secondwind Sep 2013 #10

Unconfirmed Unknown Beatle Sep 2013 #25

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #70

Somebody always posts that someone dead snooper2 Oct 2013 #170

I heard the person who usually posts that died jberryhill Oct 2013 #259

The video doesn't show the whole event, but from what I saw, that's a hit and run. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #29

It's a hit and run unless the bikers were acting in a threatening manner alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #71

Those bikers are pos. They have no right to be driving recklessly LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #36

Looked like many had no right to be on the road in the first place BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #43

i saw one "dirt bike" that was actually a supermoto.. frylock Sep 2013 #45

Guess you weren't looking very hard BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #46

what am i looking at here? frylock Sep 2013 #51

Looks like an elaborate, asshole-emboldening step to hamper identification BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #54

The driver acted in self defense. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #55

mostly it's just to clean up the back end.. frylock Sep 2013 #56

Here are the NYS rules on motorcycle plates BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #64

i owe you an apology.. frylock Oct 2013 #284

No worries BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #298

Good point. LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #48

Such scenarios play right into the hands of the NRA cosmicone Sep 2013 #38

The problem is, no one knows if one of those cycle thugs had a gun either ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #42

it would be nice to know what happened prior to the start of the video frylock Sep 2013 #41

what would justify what they did ? why didn't they get the license plate number JI7 Sep 2013 #128

Predator/prey response. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #130

You're clearly not objective cpwm17 Sep 2013 #144

There is no evidence in that video of your claim. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #156

The police agree with the account from the SUV driver cpwm17 Oct 2013 #243

The guy that's paralyzed is not the guy that caused the initial bump. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #247

It sucks to be him cpwm17 Oct 2013 #261

That's kind of obvoius. The guy who slowed down in front of SUV was merely bumped. LisaL Oct 2013 #282

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Jun 2015 #406

For the record, Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #59

William and Authur? Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #66

I believe the referenc bitchkitty Oct 2013 #162

Link: police are searching for these terrorists. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #62

Interesting to see DUers jump to accusations based on their hatred of SUVs or motorcycles. cui bono Sep 2013 #75

Um, whatever Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #91

Oh gawd. Go. Away! closeupready Sep 2013 #122

The funny part is the fucking article explains EXACTLY what happened snooper2 Oct 2013 #172

if that was my family in the suv, these idiots would have met a lot more lethal force. loli phabay Oct 2013 #181

Except that in the CBS article with the photos of the vehicle post-window-smashing AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #217

The SUV did not clip or bump the bike dookers Oct 2013 #324

Motorcycles should be BANNED! actslikeacarrot Sep 2013 #83

Whatevs...See post #79 for the thread winner BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #85

My joke was only half done... actslikeacarrot Sep 2013 #94

I'd give the driver the benefit of a doubt....... Red Mountain Sep 2013 #137

Wow, there is a lot of hate for bikers, in general, on this thread. Jamastiene Sep 2013 #138

I never realized so many people hate motorcyclists! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #157

poor widdle motorcyclists AngryAmish Oct 2013 #171

you are angry today snooper2 Oct 2013 #173

Most are bullies. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #198

Details emerge - NY Times ffr Sep 2013 #142

Here are the thugs -> Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #145

Stop spamming our board! closeupready Sep 2013 #149

I'm not sure why you're calling this spam tammywammy Sep 2013 #151

Nice details they got going there. LisaL Oct 2013 #275

i should have watched the video before i read the posts madrchsod Sep 2013 #150

They slashed the driver? References? ffr Sep 2013 #152

misread the post madrchsod Sep 2013 #153

Its in this article whopis01 Oct 2013 #164

. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2013 #166

In Dallas, we had a large group of bikers stop a whole freeway while they did stunts. dookers Oct 2013 #158

That has happened here in KC, too. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2013 #168

Lets see another video shot by the guy involved in the attack on the SUV driver AngryAmish Oct 2013 #182

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #190

good find... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #195

Do you think the idiots in this thread defending these scum bags will have the .. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2013 #262

There's a lesson in here about counting on police/911 for help. Bonx Oct 2013 #183

I know he was in full panic mode, but Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #187

I'm guessing he was shocked that he didn't run across any police Bonx Oct 2013 #189

He may not have known where one could be found. Ash_F Oct 2013 #335

THESE bikers are idiots...look at this OTHER video of them... dorkzilla Oct 2013 #192

OMG the sidewalk driving!! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #265

Here are the maggots running red lights. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #199

Forget going through red lights - how about two of them passing hedgehog Oct 2013 #212

Groups of Bikers and bicyclists being two-wheeling assholes. K.O. Stradivarius Oct 2013 #250

I'm curious about the difference between attempted vehicular homicide and self-defense. JVS Oct 2013 #209

One arrest so far (one of the bikers)... LanternWaste Oct 2013 #213

this is absolutely horrible gopiscrap Oct 2013 #235

The biker in Columbia Presbyterian needs to be charged too. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #240

WOW! What a horrible thing for that Family to go through!!! FurSure Oct 2013 #241

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #245

Thanks!!!! FurSure Oct 2013 #274

heres a video of a similar if not the same group dookers Oct 2013 #248

"Now youse can't leave" K.O. Stradivarius Oct 2013 #251

Welcome to DU! Carolina Oct 2013 #353

I generally don't like to paint with a broad brush Carolina Oct 2013 #249

There ia distinct Duckhunter935 Oct 2013 #256

Best summary of the situation. jsr Oct 2013 #263

They would have probably thought twice about attacking this family ileus Oct 2013 #272

I could easily see this happening in VA Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #281

Here is where these bikers should be performing their stunts seveneyes Oct 2013 #304

+1000 Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #320

I can't believe my eyes. crim son Oct 2013 #306

Actually, Zimmerman serves as a cautionary tale. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #311

interesting photo of SUV driver after being dragged out of vehicle TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #337

You can see the tire at 3:04 in the video just after it had been ripped off the vehicle cpwm17 Oct 2013 #339

Not ripped. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #348

LOL!!! Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #357

AtheistCrusader needs to take a look at that right front no-tire. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #342

That is the same corner of the vehicle that ran over the bike. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #347

and which one is most likely? TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #354

When you slash a tire, it doesn't take long to bleed out. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #358

what difference does it make if they slashed or punctured his tire? TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #362

Unless it was in four wheel drive at the time AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #367

WTF??? TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #372

You didn't understand what I said at all. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #373

no you aren't trying to get to bottom of what happened TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #376

You can't even accurately repeat back my position, how am I supposed to trust your inference of AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #378

not can't, won't TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #379

Well, I'm leaving those quotes up, because anyone who reads what you asserted about me AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #381

All I can say, is that it's a good thing nobody got caught under Atheist Crusader's goalposts cemaphonic Oct 2013 #374

Which of course, haven't moved a bit. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #375

It's a very large group cpwm17 Oct 2013 #368

Do you notice the guy that gets out of the way? AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #369

The SUV driver had to get out of there cpwm17 Oct 2013 #370

Well, they all definitely need to be cited for what they did do AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #371

Good call on the passenger side damage cemaphonic Oct 2013 #363

road rage en mass booley Oct 2013 #355

Human hyenas on wheels. Fight or flight. miyazaki Oct 2013 #359

Prime biker suspect identified... TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #377

LOL. 21 prior arrests including weapons and robbery. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2013 #383

I look forward to the 911 calls and other evidence being released to the public nt cpwm17 Oct 2013 #391

A few of them already have TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #394

Humans in packs can be dangerous, the driver had every right to do what he did to flee. penultimate Oct 2013 #380

Yes, it's common sense that they needed to flee cpwm17 Oct 2013 #384

And now, we see the other side of the vehicle. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #395

RE: "So, every claim of tire(s) being slashed was bullshit. " Bonx Oct 2013 #396

I hope the police retrieved the remains of the tire as evidence. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #398

You're wrong about so much cpwm17 Oct 2013 #397

The right rear and left rear were not flat during the chase. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #399

He was captured without provocation right in the middle of the freeway travel lanes cpwm17 Oct 2013 #400

RE: "they would have disintegrated just like the right front.". You can't know that. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #401

Try driving on a flat tire sometime. See how long it lasts. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #402

You can assume anything you want. Don't expect rational people to accept it though. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #404