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307. He claimed to fear for his wife and child.

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:45 PM

Oct 2013

They were not harmed. I feel that tends to discount the fear for his wife/child in retrospect.

The biker's actions in response are deplorable. My concern is that the initial flight by Mr. Lien doesn't appear justifiable, and I point to the guy with the broken back as showing that concern is valid.

As for Mr. Lien's safety specifically, I have to take into account the circumstances changed after he ran that guy over. It's no longer a 'bump/heated exchange of words/possibly people thumping on his car.'

After that point it's multiple vehicles hit, and a guy crushed on the ground, and an apparent hit and run. That changes the equation considerably.

But again, I do not know how the people around the SUV comported themselves after the initial bump. Mr. Lien and the bikers who have been quoted by the media, are at 100% opposite opinions on that, and I have no evidence by which to discriminate between the two.

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Caught on video: Father with family in SUV chased, beaten by speed-demon bikers [View all] ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 OP

Those maggot mobiles (the proper term for a motorcycle) should be Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #1

"maggot mobiles"? Ouch! Never heard THAT one before. 7962 Sep 2013 #5

Motorcyclists think they own the road. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #6

You realize there's a subforum of motorcycle riders right here on DU right? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #14

All Motorcyclists? ProgressiveJarhead Sep 2013 #16

motorcyclists think they own the road? frylock Sep 2013 #32

I'm not going to jump on MC riders, but... CANDO Sep 2013 #134

Nice over-generalization ut oh Sep 2013 #117

Ditto, and i would never think of shooting b/w cars. There are several subsets of bike riders! Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #141

? Skittles Sep 2013 #143

That's not a fair statement pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #154

multiple vehicle accidents involving motorcycles energumen Oct 2013 #227

OH. ffr Sep 2013 #15

The video is in the actual OP nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #19

Actually, it's in the link to the OP, to be technical. ffr Sep 2013 #31

Defensive about what? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #35

You get the last word. ffr Sep 2013 #39

LBN=Latest Breaking News ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Dash87 Sep 2013 #30

I believe it ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #33

The MCs shouldn't have stopped the driver for sure. ffr Sep 2013 #34

Most in the group took their license plates off AngryAmish Oct 2013 #169

Video shows a cyclist deliberately pulls in front of SUV and brakes JimDandy Sep 2013 #124

Yes, what the heck was that about?! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #155

That was the 'broken leg'? man clipped by car.. charged with reckless endangerment and endangering.. Sunlei Oct 2013 #202

Republican House on Vacation. nm LeFleur1 Oct 2013 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Jun 2015 #405

They think they're Sons of Anarchy graywarrior Sep 2013 #2

+1 freshwest Sep 2013 #140

He should have run those assholes over. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #3

he did frylock Sep 2013 #44

No, he ran over their bikes. MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #53

motorcyclists are threatened every day due to inattentive or careless drivers.. frylock Sep 2013 #58

Still didn't run over "bikers" MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #61

Lien hit the gas and plowed through at least three motorcycles and struck one rider.. frylock Sep 2013 #65

Same article says... MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #96

i guess i'm defending riders against the prevailing view in this thread.. frylock Sep 2013 #109

I agree that language is out of line. MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #115

i'm probably taking this a little more personally than i should, but in the last 5 days.. frylock Sep 2013 #119

Don't ride a bike then cosmicone Sep 2013 #123

okay then.. frylock Sep 2013 #133

It doesn't matter who is at fault Politicub Oct 2013 #314

Maybe the guy in the SUV should take that advice as well. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #176

I know what you mean Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #132

I understand that that kind of behavior by other drivers is scarier when you're on a bike dflprincess Oct 2013 #266

I assume you have never gone riding with 30 or so friends on urban streets truebluegreen Oct 2013 #403

frylock have you ever tried to force a vehicle to stop with your own bike? Ash_F Sep 2013 #146

Also they checked a completely innocent bystander in attempt to stop him. Ash_F Sep 2013 #148

The article linked in the OP made it clear n/t whopis01 Oct 2013 #160

Actually it doesn't. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #177

From your link... RedFury Oct 2013 #385

Times is reporting today that one of the riders has two broken legs. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #175

And yet... MirrorAshes Oct 2013 #194

Yeah, the cops let Zimmerman go home the first night too. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #207

Oh, it gets better. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #208

There are some ugly comments on Jay Meezee Facebook page pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #264

Certainly. RedFury Oct 2013 #386

Except for possibly the alleged tire slashing AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #389

And look, this article says the same FUCKING THING I AM SAYING. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #210

Uhh, actually no. MirrorAshes Oct 2013 #234

You might want to read it again. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #236

Ironically, the first thought at seeing a Range Rover drive away should have been Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #63

Wise points. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #178

and the subsequent beating was just as disproportionate... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #184

True. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #186

Here's the latest AP Reporting: wercal Oct 2013 #252

And the New York Times reports it yet differently. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #255

The disproportionate response was the bikers attacking his vehicle after the initial contact - Bonx Oct 2013 #193

There's no evidence in the video of that happening. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #196

Sure there is Bonx Oct 2013 #200

That's not true, his tires are not cut. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #205

Grasping at straws. Bonx Oct 2013 #211

They are going to need lawyers undoubtably. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #214

RE: "Kindly point out said 'straws'." Bonx Oct 2013 #218

He was forced to stop by a wall of stopped cars in front of him. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #220

Sorry, I don't trust your judgement on the condition of the tires. Bonx Oct 2013 #222

I linked you a photo of the car AFTER the window is broken. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #223

You linked an article, that I quoted. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #225

And yet the photos in the article show something different than the quote. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #226

The photos/video are inconclusive Bonx Oct 2013 #228

Yet there are multiple articles with different time specifications on when the tires were damaged. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #231

The SUV driver probably made the whole thing up. Bonx Oct 2013 #242

You certainly appear to be denying the SUV the same benefit of the doubt you are generously giving t LanternWaste Oct 2013 #254

Not accurate. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #257

You contend that is all you've pointed out? LanternWaste Oct 2013 #301

Specific to his choice to flee the initial encounter, yes. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #303

I've simply read many more posts of yours allowing benefits of the doubt to the bikers... LanternWaste Oct 2013 #321

Keep reading. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #322

Actually... RedFury Oct 2013 #387

The right front tire was damaged. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #390

They tried to open his door. He was in fear. I think he Jenoch Oct 2013 #269

Why does everyone have so much trouble with the goddamn space-time continuum. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #270

They DID intimidate the driver and his wife, Jenoch Oct 2013 #271

You're wasting your time. He's on a crusade. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #273

Well, you're going to have to cite that. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #277

Why are you so hell bent on defending the thugs on motorcycles? Jenoch Oct 2013 #279

Your source doesn't claim what you claimed. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #280

I never claimed the door was opened. Jenoch Oct 2013 #283

That's why I made the space/time comment. You either AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #285

You are not going to convince me that Mr. Lien was not in fear for his life and the lives of his Jenoch Oct 2013 #291

You specified the opening of the door as a reason for fear. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #293

I did not revise any claim. Jenoch Oct 2013 #297

Please don't double down on that error. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #299

The video shows that the SUV Jenoch Oct 2013 #300

I am prepared to lay the ENTIRE blame at the biker's feet AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #302

You want evidence that Mr. Lien's vehicle was attacked Jenoch Oct 2013 #333

Multiple possibilities. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #334

At 3:04 opf the video you see the tire tread rolling down the road AngryAmish Oct 2013 #340

I'm missing the eyewitness testimony here. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #341

I think the police are impartial, no? AngryAmish Oct 2013 #343

No, I do not think the police are impartial. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #344

The PASSENGER SIDE FRONT TIRE WAS SLASHED. See bottom of thread for pic. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #345

I know which tire. Thank you. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #346

Another possibility: Maybe he ran over an explosive squirrel ? -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #351

I like that you are so dismissive, when I point out real possibilities. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #352

Your 'real possibilities' are more like moving goalposts. Bonx Oct 2013 #360

Except of course the statements by the bikers themselves. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #361

Every single biker that was at the bump/mob-attack scene... Bonx Oct 2013 #364

We shall see. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #365

The explosive squirrel is a better bet. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #366

Jolly good of them. Exemplary riders for not beating a two year old and a woman... RedFury Oct 2013 #388

And yet AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #392

Did you perhaps notice the gang of bikers STOPPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #73

did you perhaps not notice my post wondering what happened in the lead up to that? frylock Sep 2013 #77

Don't pull the oppresed motorcyclist bullshit with me Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #79

I had to chase down a hit and run like that in my car once. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #86

Let me guess, you got 30 of your friends to join you Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #92

Oh please. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #93

And once again, that happened after they had stopped and encircled him Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #99

Maybe they were waiting for the cops? You have NO IDEA what happened behind that wall of people. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #101

"I'm sorry officer, I happened to slash the man's face with a knife Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #104

Your grasp of timelines is as feeble as your grasp of the law around hit and run. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #106

No, he was slashed AFTER that. Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #107

So, where's your justification for him running a man over, breaking his leg, and fleeing the scene AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #108

Actually, I consider thirty or forty men Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #110

So you've got nothing. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #111

Bwhahahaha! Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #113

Again, until he ran one of them over, there was no mob attack, per THIS video. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #116

The SUV driver was surrounded by guys on motorcycles. Jenoch Oct 2013 #268

LOL MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #112

Until he ran over that bike, there is no evidence of a mob attack. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #114

Oh, of course not. They circled his vehicle to tell him his taillight was out NickB79 Sep 2013 #135

Again, using events AFTER HE RAN A HUMAN BEING OVER to justify running a human being over. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #136

Being surrounded by a mob is often a precursor to a mob attack Politicub Oct 2013 #315

Presupposes evidence not on the video. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #316

You have this bizarre narrative in your mind that you defend as fact Politicub Oct 2013 #317

It's right there in the video. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #319

The problem with that is it makes you a criminal whopis01 Oct 2013 #161

Once a person commits a felony, the rules change. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #163

They pulled him from his vehicle, beat him and cut him whopis01 Oct 2013 #165

Again, using events AFTER he ran, to justify fleeing. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #167

What do you mean "justify his fleeing"? whopis01 Oct 2013 #185

That's what it sounds like you are saying. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #188

I never once said the driver was justified in fleeing. I said things to the opposite of that. whopis01 Oct 2013 #201

I am perhaps AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #206

I'm saying the man in the SUV is blameless. ALL of this was the fault of the bikers-nt Bonx Oct 2013 #174

For me, it is hard to tell whopis01 Oct 2013 #191

Assumes facts not in evidence. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #216

The SUV driver's statement to police is evidence AngryAmish Oct 2013 #230

As are the statements from multiple bikers that say no such thing happened before he AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #233

I have not seen any accounts of their statements AngryAmish Oct 2013 #237

It was in the Times this morning. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #238

And Towles gentleman, why do you find his statement credible? AngryAmish Oct 2013 #239

Because of the reported claims by Lien that do not AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #276

Someone found this evidence cpwm17 Oct 2013 #338

I pointed out the ABC/NBC news photo of the bare rim yesterday. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #349

The mob attack news update function on my computer is broken cpwm17 Oct 2013 #350

they're lying TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #325

That doesn't mean they are lying. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #327

Oh please! TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #329

Strawman. I did not say they are innocent, let alone using a colorful simile to a young sheep. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #331

I agree the beating crossed a line. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #215

If you reach in someones car in traffic, and you're not a police officer Bonx Oct 2013 #219

I may have saved a life doing just that. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #221

So basically the exact same situation as this one. Bonx Oct 2013 #224

+1000 TeamPooka Sep 2013 #98

This group was attempting to close the road for stunt riding jberryhill Oct 2013 #203

You want to know what led up to the event? Nothing. wercal Oct 2013 #253

incorrect.. frylock Oct 2013 #258

So that gives them permission to swarm the vehicle and force it to a stop? wercal Oct 2013 #260

Actually it does. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #278

No it doesn't wercal Oct 2013 #292

You can yell at people. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #295

Well we definitely disagree about some of this wercal Oct 2013 #323

Most of the arrested riders had nothing to do with this incident. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #326

"Just Slowed Down"? wercal Oct 2013 #328

Yes, he just slowed down. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #330

No ticket wercal Oct 2013 #332

About RedFury Oct 2013 #393

It clearly wasn't felony hit and run cpwm17 Oct 2013 #294

I'm not talking about that contact. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #296

But the group as a whole was engaging in aggressive behavior before causing the collision cpwm17 Oct 2013 #305

He claimed to fear for his wife and child. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #307

I was ignoring the allegations concerning the riders' behavior after the crash in my last post cpwm17 Oct 2013 #308

Yet that mob only harmed him, and not his wife and child. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #309

Actually, the SUV driver needed to detain the riders cpwm17 Oct 2013 #310

We really should agree to disagree but AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #313

"detain him until police arrive..." cemaphonic Oct 2013 #336

"while they show admirable restraint for not also beating up a toddler." penultimate Oct 2013 #382

+1 n/t cosmicone Sep 2013 #126

Here, since Google is apparently too hard for you to use Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #78

yes, google is so hard for me to use that i linked that story 20 minutes ago.. frylock Sep 2013 #81

Your apologist bullshit aside Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #82

gee whiz, mister. it's like i condoned the KILLING of him.. frylock Sep 2013 #90

Nothing? Really? Seattle police arrested an asshole for doing this to bicyclists. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #118

When I drive a sedan, I give deference to trucks and big rigs cosmicone Sep 2013 #127

When I drive my car Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #131

It's not necessarily about deference... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #204

define deference.. frylock Oct 2013 #232

Safety and deference go both ways... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #246

in a rider but energumen Oct 2013 #229

I have plenty of careless and inattentive drives almost hit me booley Oct 2013 #356

Well one ended up with a broken leg whopis01 Oct 2013 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Jun 2015 #407

This message was self-deleted by its author name not needed Sep 2013 #139

When are leaders of the white community going to speak out against these gangs of white men? Scuba Sep 2013 #4

Did you actually watch the video? Both blacks and whites are nicely represented. 7962 Sep 2013 #13

Yes, I watched all of it. I only saw whites, of course they all wore helmets. If you didn't see ... Scuba Sep 2013 #60

Video Taped. yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #7

The NYPD and D.A. continue to thank idiots who put their crimes on social media... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #11

Hey! You beat me to it. ffr Sep 2013 #18

It must be my Ninja like reflexes .... yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #21

Small man parts The Wizard Sep 2013 #8

If any story demonstrates that people don't think for themselves, closeupready Sep 2013 #9

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #12

So you dont see the biker pull in front of the guy and stop? 7962 Sep 2013 #17

I suppose I'm not seeing it clearly... closeupready Sep 2013 #22

Oh I cant stand SUVs PERIOD. But in this case you can see the guy. 7962 Sep 2013 #47

Except, that may not have been the start of the altercation. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #74

But to be fair, it's not like the bikers were in ANYTHING resembling an organized formation... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #49

Hitting and running is a crime. closeupready Sep 2013 #50

Funny how none of those bikers reported the hit-and-run to the cops when they arrived Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #52

If multiple guys surround my car with my wife and kid inside.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2013 #67

They stopped a car on the West Side Highway and surrounded his vehicle ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #68

Intentionally decelerating in front of someone's moving vehicle is a crime. The Stranger Oct 2013 #180

Are you stupid or just blind? Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #69

Why did they stop him? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #76

There was a fender bender, and the SUV stopped, like he should have Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #80

I watched the fucking video. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #84

I'm sorry, I must have missed the law where it says Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #88

You don't know if they behaved in a threatening manner. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #97

The bike drove in front of him and slowed down. LisaL Oct 2013 #287

I don't think he was expecting the range rover to hit him. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #289

When you are on a bike, you drive in front of an SUV, and slow down, what does that say about LisaL Oct 2013 #288

That you are committing a moving violation. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #290

Can you show me the law where it says you have a right to stop traffic en masse Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #87

You have a feeble grasp of the law. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #89

Oh let me guess, once again, you got 30 of your friends Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #95

I have gotten in a high speed pursuit with the police/911 dispatcher on the phone. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #100

Even if I believed you (which I don't) Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #102

You keep conflating what they did in response, to what happened before the car driver ran over that AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #103

And maybe it was actually King Kong that fell down from the sky and Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #105

The video is clear proof of the SUV being threatened. MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #120

Tough shit. He didn't have anywhere to be anyway. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #121

Haha. Wow. WTF. You are a piece of work. MirrorAshes Sep 2013 #125

The initial contact on the video is inexcusable. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2013 #147

Watch the video. Jenoch Oct 2013 #267

I Can't Speak For Sport Bike Riders ProgressiveJarhead Sep 2013 #20

But don't you think the SUV was too close to begin with? closeupready Sep 2013 #24

You don't see them clearly encircling the SUV at that point? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #26

Maybe, I'm not sure, I'll look at it more closely later. closeupready Sep 2013 #27

Uh huh ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2013 #37

Put some fucking glasses on when you do so. n/t Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #72

Haha BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #23

That is absolutely insane. The Stranger Oct 2013 #179

Something had to happen before the first contact in this video KurtNYC Oct 2013 #244

Oh please. LisaL Oct 2013 #286

How about these bikers are assholes who wanted the road clear for their own ride telclaven Oct 2013 #312

mellow out man, they don't want to be hassled by the man... KurtNYC Oct 2013 #318

OMG! this was so scary to watch!!!!!!!!!! secondwind Sep 2013 #10

Unconfirmed Unknown Beatle Sep 2013 #25

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #70

Somebody always posts that someone dead snooper2 Oct 2013 #170

I heard the person who usually posts that died jberryhill Oct 2013 #259

The video doesn't show the whole event, but from what I saw, that's a hit and run. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #29

It's a hit and run unless the bikers were acting in a threatening manner alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #71

Those bikers are pos. They have no right to be driving recklessly LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #36

Looked like many had no right to be on the road in the first place BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #43

i saw one "dirt bike" that was actually a supermoto.. frylock Sep 2013 #45

Guess you weren't looking very hard BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #46

what am i looking at here? frylock Sep 2013 #51

Looks like an elaborate, asshole-emboldening step to hamper identification BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #54

The driver acted in self defense. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #55

mostly it's just to clean up the back end.. frylock Sep 2013 #56

Here are the NYS rules on motorcycle plates BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #64

i owe you an apology.. frylock Oct 2013 #284

No worries BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #298

Good point. LiberalFighter Sep 2013 #48

Such scenarios play right into the hands of the NRA cosmicone Sep 2013 #38

The problem is, no one knows if one of those cycle thugs had a gun either ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #42

it would be nice to know what happened prior to the start of the video frylock Sep 2013 #41

what would justify what they did ? why didn't they get the license plate number JI7 Sep 2013 #128

Predator/prey response. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #130

You're clearly not objective cpwm17 Sep 2013 #144

There is no evidence in that video of your claim. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #156

The police agree with the account from the SUV driver cpwm17 Oct 2013 #243

The guy that's paralyzed is not the guy that caused the initial bump. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #247

It sucks to be him cpwm17 Oct 2013 #261

That's kind of obvoius. The guy who slowed down in front of SUV was merely bumped. LisaL Oct 2013 #282

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Jun 2015 #406

For the record, Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #59

William and Authur? Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #66

I believe the referenc bitchkitty Oct 2013 #162

Link: police are searching for these terrorists. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #62

Interesting to see DUers jump to accusations based on their hatred of SUVs or motorcycles. cui bono Sep 2013 #75

Um, whatever Downtown Hound Sep 2013 #91

Oh gawd. Go. Away! closeupready Sep 2013 #122

The funny part is the fucking article explains EXACTLY what happened snooper2 Oct 2013 #172

if that was my family in the suv, these idiots would have met a lot more lethal force. loli phabay Oct 2013 #181

Except that in the CBS article with the photos of the vehicle post-window-smashing AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #217

The SUV did not clip or bump the bike dookers Oct 2013 #324

Motorcycles should be BANNED! actslikeacarrot Sep 2013 #83

Whatevs...See post #79 for the thread winner BeyondGeography Sep 2013 #85

My joke was only half done... actslikeacarrot Sep 2013 #94

I'd give the driver the benefit of a doubt....... Red Mountain Sep 2013 #137

Wow, there is a lot of hate for bikers, in general, on this thread. Jamastiene Sep 2013 #138

I never realized so many people hate motorcyclists! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #157

poor widdle motorcyclists AngryAmish Oct 2013 #171

you are angry today snooper2 Oct 2013 #173

Most are bullies. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #198

Details emerge - NY Times ffr Sep 2013 #142

Here are the thugs -> Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #145

Stop spamming our board! closeupready Sep 2013 #149

I'm not sure why you're calling this spam tammywammy Sep 2013 #151

Nice details they got going there. LisaL Oct 2013 #275

i should have watched the video before i read the posts madrchsod Sep 2013 #150

They slashed the driver? References? ffr Sep 2013 #152

misread the post madrchsod Sep 2013 #153

Its in this article whopis01 Oct 2013 #164

. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2013 #166

In Dallas, we had a large group of bikers stop a whole freeway while they did stunts. dookers Oct 2013 #158

That has happened here in KC, too. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2013 #168

Lets see another video shot by the guy involved in the attack on the SUV driver AngryAmish Oct 2013 #182

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #190

good find... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #195

Do you think the idiots in this thread defending these scum bags will have the .. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2013 #262

There's a lesson in here about counting on police/911 for help. Bonx Oct 2013 #183

I know he was in full panic mode, but Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #187

I'm guessing he was shocked that he didn't run across any police Bonx Oct 2013 #189

He may not have known where one could be found. Ash_F Oct 2013 #335

THESE bikers are idiots...look at this OTHER video of them... dorkzilla Oct 2013 #192

OMG the sidewalk driving!! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #265

Here are the maggots running red lights. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #199

Forget going through red lights - how about two of them passing hedgehog Oct 2013 #212

Groups of Bikers and bicyclists being two-wheeling assholes. K.O. Stradivarius Oct 2013 #250

I'm curious about the difference between attempted vehicular homicide and self-defense. JVS Oct 2013 #209

One arrest so far (one of the bikers)... LanternWaste Oct 2013 #213

this is absolutely horrible gopiscrap Oct 2013 #235

The biker in Columbia Presbyterian needs to be charged too. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #240

WOW! What a horrible thing for that Family to go through!!! FurSure Oct 2013 #241

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #245

Thanks!!!! FurSure Oct 2013 #274

heres a video of a similar if not the same group dookers Oct 2013 #248

"Now youse can't leave" K.O. Stradivarius Oct 2013 #251

Welcome to DU! Carolina Oct 2013 #353

I generally don't like to paint with a broad brush Carolina Oct 2013 #249

There ia distinct Duckhunter935 Oct 2013 #256

Best summary of the situation. jsr Oct 2013 #263

They would have probably thought twice about attacking this family ileus Oct 2013 #272

I could easily see this happening in VA Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #281

Here is where these bikers should be performing their stunts seveneyes Oct 2013 #304

+1000 Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #320

I can't believe my eyes. crim son Oct 2013 #306

Actually, Zimmerman serves as a cautionary tale. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #311

interesting photo of SUV driver after being dragged out of vehicle TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #337

You can see the tire at 3:04 in the video just after it had been ripped off the vehicle cpwm17 Oct 2013 #339

Not ripped. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #348

LOL!!! Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #357

AtheistCrusader needs to take a look at that right front no-tire. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #342

That is the same corner of the vehicle that ran over the bike. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #347

and which one is most likely? TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #354

When you slash a tire, it doesn't take long to bleed out. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #358

what difference does it make if they slashed or punctured his tire? TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #362

Unless it was in four wheel drive at the time AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #367

WTF??? TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #372

You didn't understand what I said at all. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #373

no you aren't trying to get to bottom of what happened TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #376

You can't even accurately repeat back my position, how am I supposed to trust your inference of AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #378

not can't, won't TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #379

Well, I'm leaving those quotes up, because anyone who reads what you asserted about me AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #381

All I can say, is that it's a good thing nobody got caught under Atheist Crusader's goalposts cemaphonic Oct 2013 #374

Which of course, haven't moved a bit. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #375

It's a very large group cpwm17 Oct 2013 #368

Do you notice the guy that gets out of the way? AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #369

The SUV driver had to get out of there cpwm17 Oct 2013 #370

Well, they all definitely need to be cited for what they did do AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #371

Good call on the passenger side damage cemaphonic Oct 2013 #363

road rage en mass booley Oct 2013 #355

Human hyenas on wheels. Fight or flight. miyazaki Oct 2013 #359

Prime biker suspect identified... TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #377

LOL. 21 prior arrests including weapons and robbery. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2013 #383

I look forward to the 911 calls and other evidence being released to the public nt cpwm17 Oct 2013 #391

A few of them already have TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #394

Humans in packs can be dangerous, the driver had every right to do what he did to flee. penultimate Oct 2013 #380

Yes, it's common sense that they needed to flee cpwm17 Oct 2013 #384

And now, we see the other side of the vehicle. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #395

RE: "So, every claim of tire(s) being slashed was bullshit. " Bonx Oct 2013 #396

I hope the police retrieved the remains of the tire as evidence. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #398

You're wrong about so much cpwm17 Oct 2013 #397

The right rear and left rear were not flat during the chase. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #399

He was captured without provocation right in the middle of the freeway travel lanes cpwm17 Oct 2013 #400

RE: "they would have disintegrated just like the right front.". You can't know that. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #401

Try driving on a flat tire sometime. See how long it lasts. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #402

You can assume anything you want. Don't expect rational people to accept it though. -nt Bonx Oct 2013 #404