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70. Language is a funny thing

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 03:39 PM

Oct 2013

There's a difference between saying "He has nothing more to give us," and "He has no intention of giving any more to us...

There's also a difference between saying "I cannot be coerced into revealing info, even under torture," and "The information is properly compartmentalized and shielded so any torture of me will yield nothing useful"

I guess I'm too much of a literalist and suck at reading between the lines...Thanks for setting someone with half a brain straight...So for now I wait for Greenwald to publish on the remaining thousands of unused documents in the original handover...

And now my final question to tie it all together -- If he had nothing to give the Russians, why would they offer asylum? (and I don't think "To piss of the USA" is a strong enough reason)...From the start of this whole ordeal, why didn't Snowden just make arrangements to go directly to Brazil from day one??

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Snowden Says He Took No Secret Files to Russia [View all] alp227 Oct 2013 OP

Snowden is not someone you can put your trust, he has stolen information he said he would not Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #1

Yes, I put all my trust in anonymous Internet posters. Hissyspit Oct 2013 #7

...especailly 'sense-able' internet posters. n/t L0oniX Oct 2013 #14

How can you put trust into which statement he makes. No, I will not pass on information Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #17

So he's a liar ...just like our government? Remember Jessica Lynch? ...and WMD's? L0oniX Oct 2013 #18

Did you read the article? He explains precisely why he did what he did. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #8

Your explanation is likened to if I kill you and then post an article in the nyt as to why I killed Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #19

Oh, crazy false equivalency here. caseymoz Oct 2013 #34

Bottom line, Snowden is a liar, he can not explain away his lies. Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #46

Great fall back postion. nt caseymoz Oct 2013 #57

Snowden didn't kill anyone. Snowden told the American people and the world that the US JDPriestly Oct 2013 #39

Snowden is a liar and has broken laws, he can not explain away the truth, it Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #47

He did not lie to the American people. Clapper did. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #50

You dont know which and how many times he has lied, he started with a lie, he has told Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #52

One lie. Please tell me one lie that Snowden told to the American people. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #53

Does he claim he "revealed" information about the collecting phone call records? The Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #55

He revealed the documents. I don't think he claims he revealed information that was already JDPriestly Oct 2013 #56

Would you think documents such as the FISA act dating back to 1979 would be something which Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #60

Yes. I know the reason behind the FISA ACt, and I think that our NSA is violating the premise JDPriestly Oct 2013 #67

Then you know this was not revealed by Snowden as I have previously stated. Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #71

Snowden revealed the documents that proved what was going on and defined the scope of the JDPriestly Oct 2013 #72

Then if you worked for the phone company you also signed the Code of Conduct and Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #73

By that standard it corrals every administration since this country began. Nice job. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2013 #15

Broken trust? Ah I get it. So don't trust the US government. Thanks for making that clear. L0oniX Oct 2013 #16

So you dont trust him. What's your point? That you dont like whistleblowers? nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #20

Thank God he left them with JOURNALISTS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! 7962 Oct 2013 #2

Certainly not those who illegally gathered the info to begin with! HAHAHAHAHAHA....wait a second.... last1standing Oct 2013 #6

Lets see what he's doing in a year, as I've said before. 7962 Oct 2013 #9

Yes, the lesson learned is that the government needs to keep its illegal actions a better secret. last1standing Oct 2013 #10

Hello apple, meet orange. 7962 Oct 2013 #28

Ah! So if those whose communications are violated don't get syphillis there is no comparison. last1standing Oct 2013 #29

In severity, no. But to you illegal is illegal and thats all that matters. Wow. 7962 Oct 2013 #30

So now you're saying it's cantelope to watermelon instead of apples to oranges. last1standing Oct 2013 #31

As I said, most divisive subject on DU in the yrs I've been around. 7962 Oct 2013 #36

So it's fine because no one's dead, yet (so far as we know). last1standing Oct 2013 #37

Snowden explained in clear terms. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #40

LOL, I think the joke is on you. You intimate that the Russians spy on their people more rhett o rick Oct 2013 #21

They certainly spy on their gays and lesbians a lot more, I'm pretty sure of that. 7962 Oct 2013 #26

How do you "know" the US spies on LGBTs less than Russia? xfundy Oct 2013 #32

I didnt say "know", I said "pretty sure". Big difference. 7962 Oct 2013 #35

another pro-surveillance talking point crumbles.... mike_c Oct 2013 #3

Maybe Snowden really is a hero. In any case, he is noble and not the traitor some think. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #4

Recommend...Thanks for this info... KoKo Oct 2013 #42

I stole those other things! Not these things! The other things! alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #5

The swooners will have a #13 field day with this PSPS Oct 2013 #11

^^^^this^^^^ ...and ...nice collection. n/t L0oniX Oct 2013 #13

You forgot "Snowden has a messy garage" IveWornAHundredPants Oct 2013 #23

And there was, "his girlfriend was a dancer." JDPriestly Oct 2013 #41

She was alternately a pole dancer and a ballet dancer, QC Oct 2013 #61

I don't have blind, unquestioning faith in either the gov't OR SnowWald Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #63

Snowden is a hero. L0oniX Oct 2013 #12

Oh sure Snowden is completely trustworthy...... 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #22

So, to determine if Snowden is trustworthy, IveWornAHundredPants Oct 2013 #24

Do you steal from your employer or condone stealing from an employer? Because that's what he did. 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #27

OH! Your 666th post! xfundy Oct 2013 #33

If that is meant to be a crack it didn't work I am an iconoclast. 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #49

Snowden's employer was the people of the United States, and he gave our information JDPriestly Oct 2013 #43

If my employer was doing something illegal that caused harm... Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #64

Uh huh, yeah, that's the ticket. n/t Lil Missy Oct 2013 #25

Ironic that tonight C SPAN live coverage of the 40th Anniversary discussion reddread Oct 2013 #38

These surveillance fetishists are trying to make Watergate legal -- retroactively legal. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #45

really like to know who exactly pays all his bills over the past couple years. and got him those job Sunlei Oct 2013 #44

Oh, good. I was worried he might have. Pterodactyl Oct 2013 #48

Oh shut the fuck up Comrade Eddie. SoapBox Oct 2013 #51

Totally agree! nt mimi85 Oct 2013 #58

I would rather hear from him than you. Hissyspit Oct 2013 #59

Oh, so he's a Rooskie now is he? Is this the 1950s calling? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #69

Hard Winter Tip #1: Protect Your Tip. onehandle Oct 2013 #54

This doesn't even begin to jibe with the official story so far, and only raises more questions Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #62

Neither have said any such thing. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #65

My mistake...I'm just trying to get the story straight Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #66

It is no secret that Poitras, Greenwald, and Gellman have a large number of files. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #68

Language is a funny thing Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #70

It's strange he wouldn't know the "unique value" of carrying that stuff into Russia jmowreader Oct 2013 #74