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Shemp Howard

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30. But you cannot just ignore the connection

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 10:45 AM

Oct 2013

Moriah, I agree with you in regards to the Roma human trafficking accusations. They are unfair.

My previous point was in regard to the child begging problem. There is a strong connection between child begging in Europe and the Roma. That is just a fact.

IMHO, it is more useful to ask "Why are Roma children begging in the street?" than it is to ask the more generic "Why are children begging in the street?"

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Mystery girl taken from Roma home in Greece is 'at peace,' charity says [View all] dlwickham Oct 2013 OP

hopefully interpol can figure this out and get to the bottom of it. loli phabay Oct 2013 #1

The story describes the girl as being kept in unhygienic conditions, hedgehog Oct 2013 #2

Its sad, however mimi85 Oct 2013 #12

If kids are truly being neglected or abused, yes there is. moriah Oct 2013 #20

as much as i love greece, the EU human rights commission has repeatedly reported on its loli phabay Oct 2013 #23

Yeah, people should look up Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi organization. Real wholesome folks... kysrsoze Oct 2013 #26

its not just these groups, the greek government has been lambasted by the EUCHR as well loli phabay Oct 2013 #27

Completely agree. There are a lot of these elements in the government itself. kysrsoze Oct 2013 #28

Thank you for putting into words what I was feeling, hedgehog Oct 2013 #34

Whether or not there is truth to the old slander of Roma about kidnapping children kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #3

I was born in Europe. My 840high Oct 2013 #4

its a century old slander, that still gets brought up today when a scapegoat is needed loli phabay Oct 2013 #5

You have been commenting on several of these threads about "slander" IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #7

I hadn't heard the part about the intentional crippling and begging. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #8

its much the same kind of thing, but like the jewish thing its believed by some loli phabay Oct 2013 #9

I have never heard this about the Roma indivisibleman Oct 2013 #10

I don't know... mimi85 Oct 2013 #13

I think it was quite common back then for children to be passed around within a family - hedgehog Oct 2013 #38

also in times of darkening ie the thirties, a lot of kids where smuggled to families loli phabay Oct 2013 #46

I didn't know about that, but it makes sense- hedgehog Oct 2013 #47

it helps that family is defined differently, its not just blood but other commonalities loli phabay Oct 2013 #48

also had to giggle at your name on this thread, as hedgehog is a delicacy loli phabay Oct 2013 #49

I recall hearing about that - I think it's an old Roman (not Roma!) recipe! hedgehog Oct 2013 #50

well the crisps were bouffing, that is bad. the other other other white meat not so bad loli phabay Oct 2013 #51

It's very common in China, even today. wickerwoman Oct 2013 #65

I was referring to the Roma doing it. I seriously doubt it - maybe very rarely. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #67

watch the documentary in post #11 below TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #16

no its part of some families, its like saying all italians are mafia or run pizza joints loli phabay Oct 2013 #17

Thanks. Gemini Cat Oct 2013 #18

No one said "all" Shemp Howard Oct 2013 #19

yep i dont disagree with you, problem is assumptions are being made loli phabay Oct 2013 #22

Correlation does not mean causation, however. moriah Oct 2013 #24

But you cannot just ignore the connection Shemp Howard Oct 2013 #30

Forcing children to beg or steal *is* human trafficking. moriah Oct 2013 #32

No, that is not what the report says. have you even read it? If so, cite where it says this... Turborama Oct 2013 #55

Sure, I already quoted the summary, but I'll go into more detail too. moriah Oct 2013 #57

Who's drawing those conclusion from the report? You're making an argument out of whole cloth. Turborama Oct 2013 #60

They're drawing it from what you called the "report" at first, the documentaries. moriah Oct 2013 #62

Now you're making a new argument about the documentaries? It's hard to keep up. Turborama Oct 2013 #63

I posted that, the report that came with it and another documentary in the original thread Turborama Oct 2013 #21

Yet the report stated that complicity.... moriah Oct 2013 #25

That was the report explaining why children and women are vulnerable to trafficking and abuse? Turborama Oct 2013 #29

I was referring to the 2011 PDF, yes. moriah Oct 2013 #31

If you look at the regional figures, 60, 70, 80, 90 and up to 100% of the victims are Romany Turborama Oct 2013 #33

And a huge percentage of our homeless are veterans. moriah Oct 2013 #36

I don't know why you're trying to massage the statistics with a false equivalency Turborama Oct 2013 #37

What I'm trying to say is you're engaging in a logical fallacy. moriah Oct 2013 #39

i think some dont understand how large an ethnic group this covers loli phabay Oct 2013 #42

There is no logical fallacy in what I have said, I am just repeating what the report says. Turborama Oct 2013 #54

None of the studies say how common this is in Roma. moriah Oct 2013 #56

Your obfuscations miss entirely the point I've been making Turborama Oct 2013 #58

finally i agree with you, the problem is that not everyone thinks as you do loli phabay Oct 2013 #59

And I never denied it happens. moriah Oct 2013 #64

When the Rom weren't handy, Jews were blamed hedgehog Oct 2013 #35

yup, it seems that while we look on stuff like blood libel as evil it is still loli phabay Oct 2013 #43

ps was told on another thread that rom is not a real descriptor, i guess there are a list of real loli phabay Oct 2013 #45

Weird, but this is an old warning. efhmc Oct 2013 #6

Like "the Circus" in later eras, Roma got the blame for many disappearances/runaways. TygrBright Oct 2013 #14

Documentary on gypsies lofty1 Oct 2013 #11

Wow. Thank you mimi85 Oct 2013 #15

Welcome to DU. Wonderful but horrifying documentary from the BBC is a great addition riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #40

+1 treestar Oct 2013 #52

it's clear the kids are being abused , the Euro nations need to do more JI7 Oct 2013 #61

Trafficking of humans for any purpose by anyone requires the complicity of the larger society - hedgehog Oct 2013 #41

some will profit from it, thats the shame. also i think there is a misunderstanding about loli phabay Oct 2013 #44

Update 840high Oct 2013 #53

So are they saying that the gypsies kidnapped the children? Kablooie Oct 2013 #66