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54. There is no logical fallacy in what I have said, I am just repeating what the report says.

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 10:13 PM

Oct 2013

Your interpretation of it was wrong, and I was showing DUers who don't have the time to read the whole thing what is actually in it.

BY FAR the largest amount of children being used as beggars and thieves in Europe are Romany. Fact. The study shows this.

Your false dichotomy is a diversion.

Let me know when you've watched the videos I have provided. The case studies within in them show a commonality throughout Europe of gypsies sending their children out to beg and steal. It is so ingrained that one couple are even sending their children out to do it when they are provided a roof over their head and free food by an Italian charity. It is also part of their culture to sell their daughters at as young as 12 for "marriage". See in this video what can make them more valuable.

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Mystery girl taken from Roma home in Greece is 'at peace,' charity says [View all] dlwickham Oct 2013 OP

hopefully interpol can figure this out and get to the bottom of it. loli phabay Oct 2013 #1

The story describes the girl as being kept in unhygienic conditions, hedgehog Oct 2013 #2

Its sad, however mimi85 Oct 2013 #12

If kids are truly being neglected or abused, yes there is. moriah Oct 2013 #20

as much as i love greece, the EU human rights commission has repeatedly reported on its loli phabay Oct 2013 #23

Yeah, people should look up Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi organization. Real wholesome folks... kysrsoze Oct 2013 #26

its not just these groups, the greek government has been lambasted by the EUCHR as well loli phabay Oct 2013 #27

Completely agree. There are a lot of these elements in the government itself. kysrsoze Oct 2013 #28

Thank you for putting into words what I was feeling, hedgehog Oct 2013 #34

Whether or not there is truth to the old slander of Roma about kidnapping children kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #3

I was born in Europe. My 840high Oct 2013 #4

its a century old slander, that still gets brought up today when a scapegoat is needed loli phabay Oct 2013 #5

You have been commenting on several of these threads about "slander" IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #7

I hadn't heard the part about the intentional crippling and begging. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #8

its much the same kind of thing, but like the jewish thing its believed by some loli phabay Oct 2013 #9

I have never heard this about the Roma indivisibleman Oct 2013 #10

I don't know... mimi85 Oct 2013 #13

I think it was quite common back then for children to be passed around within a family - hedgehog Oct 2013 #38

also in times of darkening ie the thirties, a lot of kids where smuggled to families loli phabay Oct 2013 #46

I didn't know about that, but it makes sense- hedgehog Oct 2013 #47

it helps that family is defined differently, its not just blood but other commonalities loli phabay Oct 2013 #48

also had to giggle at your name on this thread, as hedgehog is a delicacy loli phabay Oct 2013 #49

I recall hearing about that - I think it's an old Roman (not Roma!) recipe! hedgehog Oct 2013 #50

well the crisps were bouffing, that is bad. the other other other white meat not so bad loli phabay Oct 2013 #51

It's very common in China, even today. wickerwoman Oct 2013 #65

I was referring to the Roma doing it. I seriously doubt it - maybe very rarely. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #67

watch the documentary in post #11 below TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #16

no its part of some families, its like saying all italians are mafia or run pizza joints loli phabay Oct 2013 #17

Thanks. Gemini Cat Oct 2013 #18

No one said "all" Shemp Howard Oct 2013 #19

yep i dont disagree with you, problem is assumptions are being made loli phabay Oct 2013 #22

Correlation does not mean causation, however. moriah Oct 2013 #24

But you cannot just ignore the connection Shemp Howard Oct 2013 #30

Forcing children to beg or steal *is* human trafficking. moriah Oct 2013 #32

No, that is not what the report says. have you even read it? If so, cite where it says this... Turborama Oct 2013 #55

Sure, I already quoted the summary, but I'll go into more detail too. moriah Oct 2013 #57

Who's drawing those conclusion from the report? You're making an argument out of whole cloth. Turborama Oct 2013 #60

They're drawing it from what you called the "report" at first, the documentaries. moriah Oct 2013 #62

Now you're making a new argument about the documentaries? It's hard to keep up. Turborama Oct 2013 #63

I posted that, the report that came with it and another documentary in the original thread Turborama Oct 2013 #21

Yet the report stated that complicity.... moriah Oct 2013 #25

That was the report explaining why children and women are vulnerable to trafficking and abuse? Turborama Oct 2013 #29

I was referring to the 2011 PDF, yes. moriah Oct 2013 #31

If you look at the regional figures, 60, 70, 80, 90 and up to 100% of the victims are Romany Turborama Oct 2013 #33

And a huge percentage of our homeless are veterans. moriah Oct 2013 #36

I don't know why you're trying to massage the statistics with a false equivalency Turborama Oct 2013 #37

What I'm trying to say is you're engaging in a logical fallacy. moriah Oct 2013 #39

i think some dont understand how large an ethnic group this covers loli phabay Oct 2013 #42

There is no logical fallacy in what I have said, I am just repeating what the report says. Turborama Oct 2013 #54

None of the studies say how common this is in Roma. moriah Oct 2013 #56

Your obfuscations miss entirely the point I've been making Turborama Oct 2013 #58

finally i agree with you, the problem is that not everyone thinks as you do loli phabay Oct 2013 #59

And I never denied it happens. moriah Oct 2013 #64

When the Rom weren't handy, Jews were blamed hedgehog Oct 2013 #35

yup, it seems that while we look on stuff like blood libel as evil it is still loli phabay Oct 2013 #43

ps was told on another thread that rom is not a real descriptor, i guess there are a list of real loli phabay Oct 2013 #45

Weird, but this is an old warning. efhmc Oct 2013 #6

Like "the Circus" in later eras, Roma got the blame for many disappearances/runaways. TygrBright Oct 2013 #14

Documentary on gypsies lofty1 Oct 2013 #11

Wow. Thank you mimi85 Oct 2013 #15

Welcome to DU. Wonderful but horrifying documentary from the BBC is a great addition riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #40

+1 treestar Oct 2013 #52

it's clear the kids are being abused , the Euro nations need to do more JI7 Oct 2013 #61

Trafficking of humans for any purpose by anyone requires the complicity of the larger society - hedgehog Oct 2013 #41

some will profit from it, thats the shame. also i think there is a misunderstanding about loli phabay Oct 2013 #44

Update 840high Oct 2013 #53

So are they saying that the gypsies kidnapped the children? Kablooie Oct 2013 #66