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MADem

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62. Not a maverick--just not up on all the details, which I think would change your mind.

Tue Oct 22, 2013, 12:41 PM

Oct 2013

The town where the Greek Maria lived was raided because of guns/drugs/stolen property -- and all of the foregoing were found.

The couple who had possession of Maria have turned on one another, each accusing the other to save their own skin. They now have separate lawyers.

The neighbors say that the child may have been bought for 850 pounds.

Witnesses say the child was observed begging in the nearby town two weeks before the authorities took her into custody. All that is in this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2470998/Blonde-Angel-Maria-Mystery-child-bought-850.html

There's also the matter of SERIOUS benefit fraud (in cash-strapped Greece, too) to the tune of more than three grand a month. That alone will put them in jail for a bit, even without the theft/drugs/guns, and even without any suggestions of child abduction or trafficking.

Now the speculation is that she was to be sold to a Greek family in an illegal adoption, but that fell through, so she was dumped with the people who had possession of her:

Greek police are exploring the possibility that child traffickers had planned to sell Maria, a young blonde girl found living in a Roma camp to a wealthy family, but were forced to get rid of her when investigators closed in on them.
The couple who were found living with the girl last week in the town of Farsala, deny snatching her and say they took her under their care after her mother handed the girl to them shortly after giving birth.
But one police theory being investigated is that the young girl was to be sold in an illegal adoption, and was left to the Roma couple when it failed.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2471521/A-second-blonde-haired-blue-eyed-girl-removed-Roma-family-suspicion-child-abduction-IRELAND.html#ixzz2iT8hQ1jY

I'm no Bill Frist when it comes to video of photographic diagnosis, but I haven't seen a single picture or video of that kid where she doesn't look fearful, reluctant, or manipulated--even the dancing toddler footage.

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Irish police remove blonde child from Roma family [View all] moriah Oct 2013 OP

This is certainly going to get interesting. Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #1

This obsession with "blonde-haired" in every media story about this case BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #2

+1 moriah Oct 2013 #3

I honestly don't think that's it leftynyc Oct 2013 #6

My parents were dark-haired and dark-eyed, and produced ginger me. moriah Oct 2013 #9

Mine had four out six blonds. One is a ginger. marble falls Oct 2013 #14

I understand recessive genes leftynyc Oct 2013 #30

Yep, and that's also why I added the wink.... moriah Oct 2013 #48

I would have loved to inherit leftynyc Oct 2013 #61

Your DNA, though, would have resolved the matter immediately. MADem Oct 2013 #60

I've watched it, yes. moriah Oct 2013 #97

+1000 JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #126

My friend told me her issues Scairp Oct 2013 #77

I produced a red haired child, but we're all very pale. pnwmom Oct 2013 #78

Everyone in my family has dark hair and dark eyes ripcord Oct 2013 #107

Recessive genes are interesting. Does she resemble any of pnwmom Oct 2013 #112

No ripcord Oct 2013 #114

Depending what their DNA is, there could be as high as 1/4 chance for the kid to be theirs. Mass Oct 2013 #16

I call a 75% chance that leftynyc Oct 2013 #31

There are millions of families in this case. Should we suspect all of them? Mass Oct 2013 #32

estimates are ten million or so rom are around, you will never get exact numbers due to loli phabay Oct 2013 #34

Not talking about Roms, but about families with 2 dark eyed parents with blue eyed children. Mass Oct 2013 #40

oops, but the point is valid in both cases loli phabay Oct 2013 #44

It isn't that uncommon... PsychGrad Oct 2013 #88

I don't suspect any of them leftynyc Oct 2013 #35

Maybe less likely than that, freedom fighter jh Oct 2013 #41

I think another factor is that the romi families are less likely to have married outside their okaawhatever Oct 2013 #72

another factor is that the rom population in in the millions loli phabay Oct 2013 #109

Blondness is a juvenile trait. Bette Noir Oct 2013 #20

Same here. Dark haired family except me. charmay Oct 2013 #24

Correct Brewinblue Oct 2013 #26

Blue eyes aren't. pnwmom Oct 2013 #76

Actually, they are. moriah Oct 2013 #81

I realize that about Caucasian babies. But blue eyes are far more likely pnwmom Oct 2013 #83

It's the opposite that would be far more rare. Brewinblue Oct 2013 #21

My husband was brown haired and brown eyed from two blond and blue eyed Cleita Oct 2013 #37

Yep, it's far more uncommon but not unheard of. moriah Oct 2013 #59

I know a woman who gave birth to a very dark-skinned black baby. She and husband were both white. northoftheborder Oct 2013 #84

Both my father's parents were black BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #58

Thank you. I was feeling a lot of the same thing. moriah Oct 2013 #73

My brunette, brown-eyed parents produced one ginger, one ash blonde and one platinum blonde. politicat Oct 2013 #106

I thought it was two blonde parents could not have a dark haired child? hollysmom Oct 2013 #128

One morning show referred to the child found in Greece as the "blonde angel" Nine Oct 2013 #66

Time to run some DNA tests on the girl. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #4

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #5

A DNA test was done for the child in Greece leftynyc Oct 2013 #7

There are two of these cases? leftyladyfrommo Oct 2013 #8

There are more than two Warpy Oct 2013 #104

A Roma family caused my horses to go lame and tried to steal my soul Orrex Oct 2013 #10

it seems the hatred dies hard, i cant believe some of the posts i have seen recently loli phabay Oct 2013 #12

on a side note bathe the horse in salt water and tie a necklace of wildflowers loli phabay Oct 2013 #49

Science! Orrex Oct 2013 #55

it does not work when it comes to hexes and curses. sometimes you have to go old school. loli phabay Oct 2013 #57

They turned me into a newt. Iggo Oct 2013 #50

Did you get better? moriah Oct 2013 #51

I did! Iggo Oct 2013 #53

that was cruel mr gingrich, i hope you recover. loli phabay Oct 2013 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author loli phabay Oct 2013 #11

get ready for more of this, every rom child with red hair or blonde is going to be taken loli phabay Oct 2013 #13

Very easy to establish whether the child is actually related to the people claiming to be her LisaL Oct 2013 #15

heres the question, how many adopted kids share dna with their adoptive parents loli phabay Oct 2013 #17

Considering they claim to be bio parents and not adoptive parents, what would be the LisaL Oct 2013 #18

they are going to claim to be the bio parents regardless, thats what i am saying loli phabay Oct 2013 #23

The hospital they claim the child was born in has no such record muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #68

yup, not unusual, could they used different names loli phabay Oct 2013 #69

Faking a birth certificate and lying about where the child was born is pretty nefarious in itself muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #98

no a lot of ROM are not borm in hospitals or under care of a doctor loli phabay Oct 2013 #108

Unfortunately the Roma are going to have to establish real adoption records riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #19

what will happen is an exodus from certain countries as has happened before loli phabay Oct 2013 #27

Not to mention - given the general hostility, I would think that many avoid any contact hedgehog Oct 2013 #39

its a good analogy to make, and yes due to history you dont want the authorities loli phabay Oct 2013 #45

Agreed. riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #54

leaving will probuably be the only choice for most, i dont think there can be a resolution loli phabay Oct 2013 #56

where will they go ? all of Europe (and other places) should require it JI7 Oct 2013 #71

plenty of places to disappear to, would not be the first time going underground loli phabay Oct 2013 #110

None. And my adoptive granddaughter doesn't share DNA with me. pnwmom Oct 2013 #75

Thank goodness for DNA tests. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #74

To the best of my knowledge - the travelers in Ireland hedgehog Oct 2013 #36

over the years there has been a lot of marraiges betwen the communities as you would expect loli phabay Oct 2013 #42

What no one has mentioned is that the Roma women have been targets of rape for centuries- hedgehog Oct 2013 #46

was not even going to touch that one, but yes its another way blood has enteredthefamilies loli phabay Oct 2013 #47

It is certainly true that Rom/Roma have historically suffered more BlueMTexpat Oct 2013 #22

Not a maverick--just not up on all the details, which I think would change your mind. MADem Oct 2013 #62

You are absolutely correct that I don't know BlueMTexpat Oct 2013 #123

I think that "Comment is Free" opinion piece may have been written before the MADem Oct 2013 #131

I join you in hoping that she ends up in a safe place. BlueMTexpat Oct 2013 #132

OK. My paternal grandparents were Roma ellie Oct 2013 #25

i dont get this blonde thing either, there are plenty of rom who are blonde, loli phabay Oct 2013 #38

I didn't read the article or the comments in this thread Victor_c3 Oct 2013 #28

The blond girl in the above picture looks like the woman in pink. haele Oct 2013 #79

I thought these stories about Roma kidnapping kids had disappeared a long time ago. Mass Oct 2013 #29

What would you say if DNA tests shows they aren't the parents? Quantess Oct 2013 #93

That somebody kidnapped a child. This happens with non roma people as well. Mass Oct 2013 #95

Okay, I see your point. I blame the media. Quantess Oct 2013 #96

All of Europe has been having a huge problem with Roma gypsies TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #113

no the problem is with a minority within a minority, loli phabay Oct 2013 #115

I see you still haven't watched the documenteries n/t TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #119

so what you are saying is that all ten million or so ar at it. loli phabay Oct 2013 #121

I never said any such thing TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #124

no rom culture, really. you do understand that rom share a culture loli phabay Oct 2013 #125

its the media and an inbuilt bigotry within the public, waiting to see the next big expose loli phabay Oct 2013 #117

Could Maury do a show from Dublin? KamaAina Oct 2013 #33

Irony of ironies - it's only been a few years since the scandal of the Magdelene laundries broke - hedgehog Oct 2013 #43

That was child trafficking, too, and it was just as wrong. Children, used as cash cows, MADem Oct 2013 #63

Absolutely wrong get the red out Oct 2013 #86

How awful! JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #127

True story: colorado_ufo Oct 2013 #64

Well fer sure, fer sure,...blondes are, like, TOTALLY the best. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #65

Don't shrink me, Gypsy. AngryAmish Oct 2013 #67

. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #103

What they need to do is start requiring legal paperwork, and does europe not require Kids to attend JI7 Oct 2013 #70

That's going to be the end result--DNA tests required for all home births may soon be law. MADem Oct 2013 #91

Well, we certainly don't want to offend them Quantess Oct 2013 #80

The police aren't supposed to question this get the red out Oct 2013 #82

All I ask is slightly more probable cause than looks. moriah Oct 2013 #85

Irish : not Uk dipsydoodle Oct 2013 #89

Yep, the child protection service there is pretty good, though, like the UK. moriah Oct 2013 #90

Its not all that here in the UK. dipsydoodle Oct 2013 #94

was it darlington that had that huge scandal a decade or so ago loli phabay Oct 2013 #116

It doesn't follow that they are not Irish. dipsydoodle Oct 2013 #87

Though they are from Romania originally muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #101

Thanks dipsydoodle Oct 2013 #102

Everyone else's ancestors once belonged to a tightly-knit pre-industrial culture. raging moderate Oct 2013 #92

who exactly would give these guarentees, sorry but lies have been told before loli phabay Oct 2013 #111

could you imagine Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #99

Removed a child with an apparently fake birth certificate? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #100

cos reactng Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #105

it seems that its okay to hate on some minorities, wish there was a list somewhere. loli phabay Oct 2013 #118

Update: Tip Came In Through Facebook, Hospital Records Checking Out Legit Now? moriah Oct 2013 #120

cant be, theres a couple of tv shows that show all rom steal kids loli phabay Oct 2013 #122

Irish police return blonde girl to Roma family Eugene Oct 2013 #129

crying out for a lawsuit. loli phabay Oct 2013 #130