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happyslug

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14. I did use the word "untested" but I meant "Untested" in the real world.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:29 PM
Nov 2013

Compared to steel rail, a system that has been used (i.e. "Tested in the real world&quot since the 1890s when Steel Rail replaced older Iron Rails, maganetic elevation is untested. In two of the three existing use of MAGLEV, one broke down to to a lack of spare parts in 1995, The Germans closed theirs down for what appears to be the same same in 2012 and even the Chinese are questioning the variability of their MAGLEV, calling it a white elephant. These attempts when compared to the massive use of Steel Rail shows how untested in the real world MAGLEV is.

Thus the real probem with MAGLEV is it is inferior to Steel Rail at distances below 500 miles and speeds of less then 200 mph, and inferior to air travel at distances over 500 miles and speeds exceeding 200 mph. The Technology was first patented in 1905, it was possible to build a MAGLEV by 1939. This is very old technology. The problem with MAGLEV is it is a solution looking for a problem to solve, not solution to a known problem.

Furthermore the longest track in Japan is 26.6 miles not 300:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCMaglev

Now, the Japanese Government has agreed to build a 438-499 km (270-310 miles) MAGLEV between Tokyo and Nagoya but the final route has not yet been selected. I think this is where you are getting your 300 plus miles of MAGLEV in Japan from, i.e. what is proposed to be built not what is in actual operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen

The route was picked for the older Tokaido route, which goes 170 mph and is maxed out as to passengers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaido_Shinkansen

Here is a map of both route, the present high speed train (top speed 170 mph) is in heavy yellow. The proposed MAGLEV line is the light yellow line. Notice it cuts through the mountains permitting a shorter trip. Between the shorter route, reduction in in between stops (to be left on the older train route which is to be kept) and that it is to be MAGLEV, will reduce the time of the trip. Will the reduction in time be worth it is another question.



In many ways these two routes shows the problem the US would have with a MAGLEV program, the US will first have to get people to use rail then upgrade to a MAGLEV (which is what Japan is doing) not built something that may never be used given the restrictions on using a super high speed high volume traffic train.

we should have it for the whole nation gopiscrap Nov 2013 #1
I agree! Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #2
I think only China has it jakeXT Nov 2013 #7
England had one, from 1984 to 1995, closed it down no spare parts, happyslug Nov 2013 #11
I've ridden on that a few times davidpdx Nov 2013 #29
Kick this one. Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #3
Sounds like a good idea to me. k&r n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #4
Not holding my breath. elleng Nov 2013 #5
Here's an interesting idea: a train that never stops. . . Journeyman Nov 2013 #6
Sorry, but President Christie will shut this down because it creates jobs and helps people. onehandle Nov 2013 #8
Is this going to die, for the same reason it died in the 1990s? happyslug Nov 2013 #9
Thanks. elleng Nov 2013 #10
When this was proposed for Baltimore, it was suggested for Pittsburgh happyslug Nov 2013 #13
AND would never obtain necessary rights of way, elleng Nov 2013 #17
Not exactly untested cvoogt Nov 2013 #12
I did use the word "untested" but I meant "Untested" in the real world. happyslug Nov 2013 #14
Thx for clarification cvoogt Nov 2013 #22
Question: how many people travel between Baltimore and Washington? brooklynite Nov 2013 #19
I have to defer to people who has access to those numbers happyslug Nov 2013 #20
DC-Boston "the only profitable route...and then only by ignoring the need to upgrade" wordpix Nov 2013 #21
Let's hope so. Maglev is a neat toy, but impractical. Xithras Nov 2013 #32
As a Transportation Planner, let me say this is foolish... brooklynite Nov 2013 #15
Right. elleng Nov 2013 #18
I agree with you davidpdx Nov 2013 #28
So much good info from so many of you above! 7962 Nov 2013 #16
way to expensive to be practical madrchsod Nov 2013 #23
transportation of the future Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #24
I was in 5th grade when I came up with the concept of mag-lev trains. AArmstrong Nov 2013 #25
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #27
Nothing new this was talked about in the 80's and it died..... Historic NY Nov 2013 #26
we have some very old stone bridges Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #30
Those old stone bridges can take the stress of those trains. happyslug Nov 2013 #33
Thanks for the info Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #34
Will mass/centralized travel survive the future? One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #31
Perhaps future transport will be flying through the air in small craft Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #35
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