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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
18. Patents are expiring; so Big Pharma/Med dramatically jacks up the numbers of prescriptions!
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 06:18 PM
Nov 2013

Quelle coinky-dink!

The patents on Lipitor, Zocor and other statins have expired, and they are widely available in generic versions for as little as a dime a day. One that is still under patent protection is AstraZeneca's Crestor, which had sales of $8.3 billion in 2012.

Under the new advice, 33 million Americans - 44 percent of men and 22 percent of women - would meet the threshold to consider taking a statin. Under the current guidelines, statins are recommended for only about 15 percent of adults.

The government's National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute appointed expert panels to write the new guidelines in 2008, but in June said it would leave drafting them to the Heart Association and College of Cardiology. New guidelines on lifestyle and obesity also came out Tuesday, and ones on blood pressure are coming soon.

Roughly half the cholesterol panel members have financial ties to makers of heart drugs, but panel leaders said no one with industry connections could vote on the recommendations. "It is practically impossible to find a large group of outside experts in the field who have no relationships to industry," said Dr. George Mensah of the heart institute.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MED_HEART_DISEASE_NEW_GUIDELINES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-11-12-16-08-43

My family doc has long refused to prescribe statins. I was on other cholesterol meds for a couple of years, but lost 50 lbs., over a 2 year period and have been off cholesterol meds for 3 years now.

All drugs carry some risk, but I'll continue to go with one daily uncoated 81 mg. baby aspirin to prevent stroke, and let the heart docs take their own statins.

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Related: New Guidelines For Preventing Heart Attack, Stroke Purveyor Nov 2013 #1
Just say no. eom Mika Nov 2013 #2
Ditto <eom> catrose Nov 2013 #6
I'm with you. sybylla Nov 2013 #37
My doctor said I should take the meds, or else she would truedelphi Nov 2013 #56
I have heard others say this too--it's bullying, really. MADem Nov 2013 #64
You've "heard?" And then you go with the classic naturalistic fallacy. HuckleB Nov 2013 #103
Doctors are NOT always right. You can scold me all the live-long day, but I will not be MADem Nov 2013 #104
Doctors are not always right. HuckleB Nov 2013 #105
Well, I didn't realize I had to provide a frigging peer reviewed article for your journal, there. MADem Nov 2013 #107
You "heard" is shorthand for BS. HuckleB Nov 2013 #108
Yes, and your answer to anything you don't like is a rude and dismissive "BS." MADem Nov 2013 #111
Blah. Blah. Blah. HuckleB Nov 2013 #114
Ha! I rest my case. MADem Nov 2013 #115
You have no case. HuckleB Nov 2013 #122
Listen to you. MADem Nov 2013 #123
Please read and respond to post#75. Indi Guy Nov 2013 #109
Post 75 is a heckuva Gish Gallop. HuckleB Nov 2013 #110
Word. ronnie624 Nov 2013 #118
Absolutely! ronnie624 Nov 2013 #71
Just like margerine was going to make us healthy. kickysnana Nov 2013 #3
Memory/forgetfulness problems are extremely bad with Statins. JimDandy Nov 2013 #36
So are severe muscle pains and stiffness. Psephos Nov 2013 #50
I had nearly debilitating cramps while on my statin. I stopped them within days. Ed Suspicious Nov 2013 #53
Persons having asymptomatic plaque in the right carotid artery are the real candidates DhhD Nov 2013 #69
How about wider use of better diets? villager Nov 2013 #4
Doctors always push better diet and more exercise. HuckleB Nov 2013 #5
Thank you. Aristus Nov 2013 #9
Exactly. HuckleB Nov 2013 #16
Oh cool! Aristus Nov 2013 #31
Stay FAR away from that junk Iwasthere Nov 2013 #11
Baloney. HuckleB Nov 2013 #14
I agree. No matter what the conditions, most doctors start with conservative approaches, diet, lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #55
Most DR start with Conservative Treatment? My Dr started me on a Statin day one. happyslug Nov 2013 #62
An anecdote does not change the term "most." HuckleB Nov 2013 #89
This is uncalled for. CanSocDem Nov 2013 #65
+1 nt laundry_queen Nov 2013 #86
This from one of the great anti-science conspiracy theorists at DU. HuckleB Nov 2013 #90
You mis-characterize me. CanSocDem Nov 2013 #98
Nice PR attempt. HuckleB Nov 2013 #102
I guess that doesn't make the news the way the drug pushing does? villager Nov 2013 #58
You mean like all the crap NDs push on patients? HuckleB Nov 2013 #106
I meant like all the crap your beloved pharmaceutical companies push on patients villager Nov 2013 #112
but doctors have been wrong so many times demigoddess Nov 2013 #99
Anecdotes are so cool. HuckleB Nov 2013 #100
Exactly my thoughts too. Let's promote fruit and vegetables & end GMOs that are poisoning the mother earth Nov 2013 #8
Doctors already push good diet and exercise. HuckleB Nov 2013 #15
Really? Tell that to the bees that are dying from GMO corn with built in insecticide, and let mother earth Nov 2013 #88
The problem is how to integrate exercise with most people's life styles happyslug Nov 2013 #61
Brilliant writing there, happyslug. Ghost Dog Nov 2013 #124
It needed a good editing happyslug Nov 2013 #129
Good advice Ghost Dog Nov 2013 #130
May help for some enlightenment Nov 2013 #77
Your cholesterol load is only about 10% dietary Warpy Nov 2013 #101
Not just no. Hell no. Xithras Nov 2013 #7
I do take statins ailsagirl Nov 2013 #10
I take Lipitor. Amazingly 840high Nov 2013 #34
Really amazing stuff ailsagirl Nov 2013 #38
157?? I be kicking in the street for that low level happyslug Nov 2013 #63
I confess I am on the maximum dose (80 mg) ailsagirl Nov 2013 #78
I am on the max Dose of Lipitor, Tircor, Zetia and Niacin happyslug Nov 2013 #84
That's odd-- what does your doctor say? ailsagirl Nov 2013 #85
I have the rarest type of high Cholesterol, happyslug Nov 2013 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Nov 2013 #97
Wasn't there a recent study showing no link between cholesterol levels and heart attack rates? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #12
There have been a few of them. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #44
Aren't those the drugs I see ads for all the time... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #13
"Side effects include cessation of breathing,uncontrollable urge to gamble, increased use of Depends Divernan Nov 2013 #19
There ws a discussion about these meds here at DU some years back. truedelphi Nov 2013 #57
Ask your doctor if Vaxadrone™ is right for you. klook Nov 2013 #24
Dr. Colbert scores again! classof56 Nov 2013 #93
Bob, the drug I would worry about is the one that will give one menstrual pain... Thor_MN Nov 2013 #49
Oh, I'm not worried about that... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #52
I don't suppose it has occurred to them to urge wider use of a low-fat vegan diet....... kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #17
Most patients refuse to make the slightest change in diet and exercise. HuckleB Nov 2013 #23
Most patients are idiots. No wonder this planet is in such trouble. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #26
And they're lucky you're not their doctor. HuckleB Nov 2013 #29
I'd be homicidal if I had become a physician and had to deal with the crap those poor souls do. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #76
Red herring? It's the truth. bitchkitty Nov 2013 #94
It's not the animal fats. It's the high levels of fructose in the processed diet Paulie Nov 2013 #45
False. Saturated fats >>>>> elevated blood cholesterol. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #73
Animal fats are not a problem. Psephos Nov 2013 #51
False. Saturated fats >>>>> elevated blood cholesterol. Refined carbs are also terrible. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #74
Science has moved on. Psephos Nov 2013 #79
Patents are expiring; so Big Pharma/Med dramatically jacks up the numbers of prescriptions! Divernan Nov 2013 #18
Conspriracy BS is so cool. HuckleB Nov 2013 #22
"The wrong question is being asked." - Dr. Dean Ornish klook Nov 2013 #20
Statins can be dangerous. earthside Nov 2013 #21
You can find any opinion you want to find online or in a book. HuckleB Nov 2013 #25
Well knock me over with a feather. earthside Nov 2013 #35
That's because you're so used to pushing it, and seeing it, and no one bothered to inform you. HuckleB Nov 2013 #39
Condescending to be sure. earthside Nov 2013 #41
And you're pushing anti-science BS on the Internet. HuckleB Nov 2013 #43
Critique the argument then. earthside Nov 2013 #46
You've made no argument. HuckleB Nov 2013 #91
The only way to be open minded JackRiddler Nov 2013 #117
Thanks for mentioning that book. truedelphi Nov 2013 #59
FDA Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #125
With diet and exercise, drugs aren't necessary aristocles Nov 2013 #27
It works for a lot of people. HuckleB Nov 2013 #30
Baloney! Lugnut Nov 2013 #28
No Effing Way!!!!!! VA_Jill Nov 2013 #32
INSANITY grasswire Nov 2013 #33
That's why Sgent Nov 2013 #40
curcumin, coconut oil, fish oil BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #47
Meanwhile...Ranbaxy stops generic Lipitor production amid recall for tiny glass particles" dflprincess Nov 2013 #42
Zocor made me sick Mz Pip Nov 2013 #48
Business week did an excellent article about this a few years ago arikara Nov 2013 #54
boycott cruelty veganlush Nov 2013 #60
35 years ago my Dad was put on a special diet HockeyMom Nov 2013 #66
Grain Brain RussBLib Nov 2013 #70
Big pharma urges Doctors to Urge wider use...of Lipitor and Zocor from Pfizer and Merck...nt Evasporque Nov 2013 #67
I'm so cynical. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #68
Seems to me that I recall..... llmart Nov 2013 #72
They probably ate a healthier diet and exercised a lot more leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #80
Big Pharma has been telling us BIG LIES for decades... Indi Guy Nov 2013 #75
My doctor is very science based goldent Nov 2013 #81
"Roughly half the cholesterol panel members have financial ties to makers of heart drugs" flvegan Nov 2013 #82
NEXT: Doctors recommend putting statins in drinking water. jsr Nov 2013 #83
Yo, some DUers! THe plural of anecdote is not data. (Stop Pretending That It Is.) HuckleB Nov 2013 #92
Worse, some of the "Side affects" is the drug making you "normal" happyslug Nov 2013 #95
Side effects can happen for anything, including food. HuckleB Nov 2013 #96
"Data" is not synonym for truth. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #119
Red herrings don't turn BS into reality. HuckleB Nov 2013 #121
You challenge nothing. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #127
Ok so today I learn that I have LDL of 134 flamingdem Nov 2013 #113
Go to this website and download the calculator (red button on the right). winter is coming Nov 2013 #120
Not really.. sendero Nov 2013 #116
Glad to see the science haters alive and well. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #126
What about doctors who don't trust other doctors? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #128
I'll stick with consensus ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #132
I don't get medical advice from those sources. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #133
statin drugs should be over the counter and cheap Sunlei Nov 2013 #131
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