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Ash_F

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44. Those of us fighting for human rights must reach across borders

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 07:11 PM

Nov 2013

The US government has also blocked UN investigators from checking on alleged abuses.

DUers need to remember that none of those countries are politically monolithic, just like the US is not monolithic. All of these countries have people fighting for human rights, though they are woefully dis-empowered in each and every one. The US is no exception.

Though in countries like Saudi Arabia they are much more dis-empowered than the US, they are still there. If we are to improve human rights internationally, we must unify.

Don't get caught up in nationalistic hate. Save you ire for the right wing in these nations.

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China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, Cuba Win Seats On UN Human Rights Council, Drawing Scorn [View all] Purveyor Nov 2013 OP

Wow iandhr Nov 2013 #1

UNHRC has been a joke for decades now. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #2

Does worldwide surveillance into intimate personal lives count for anything? The Stranger Nov 2013 #3

Whoever guess "post 3" for the first false equivalence being drawn geek tragedy Nov 2013 #4

I'm surprised it took that long leftynyc Nov 2013 #7

Hypocrisie est un hommage que la vice rend � la vertu. The Stranger Nov 2013 #10

Bullshit spoken in French is still bullshit. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #12

There's a false assumption contained in your post. The Stranger Nov 2013 #26

Well, gee, too bad for you that Americans don't need your permission to speak geek tragedy Nov 2013 #33

Excerpt from the article: go west young man Nov 2013 #42

The problem isn't American exceptionalism, it's the belief that geek tragedy Nov 2013 #43

Agreed... go west young man Nov 2013 #45

What about their joint crimes? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #59

What are you talking about? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #64

Debatable. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #65

:thumbsup: Wilms Nov 2013 #13

Perhaps this nuance is too subtle for you, but "the US is better than China and Saudi Arabia" geek tragedy Nov 2013 #14

USA1USA! "We're not as bad as the other guys" Wilms Nov 2013 #16

Very curious how some people are so obsessed with denouncing the United States geek tragedy Nov 2013 #17

Denial is an obsession I find to be the issue. Wilms Nov 2013 #19

Yes, we disagree. You think Saudi Arabia and China have human rights records geek tragedy Nov 2013 #20

The US has been the only country to have used nukes on civilians cosmicone Nov 2013 #21

If you had your choice, would you live in the US, China, or Saudi Arabia? nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #22

My choice would be for the U.S. to stop supporting Saudi Arabia. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #25

Vietnam would be a dictatorship regardless of what the US had done. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #30

That is not a fair question. cosmicone Nov 2013 #40

Cute analogy. You must live somewhere with a perfect history nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #41

It is not so much about a perfect history cosmicone Nov 2013 #53

Hmmmm. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #56

No contradiction there. cosmicone Nov 2013 #61

You're glossing over a few things here. First, it was American soldiers who ended My Lai and okaawhatever Nov 2013 #57

You keep running around posting this false assumjption The Stranger Nov 2013 #31

Well, you don't think Americans should even pay attention to China and Saudi Arabia's geek tragedy Nov 2013 #34

I thought it was only Faux news go west young man Nov 2013 #36

Let me sum up the story and the reactions to it amongst a certain crowd here geek tragedy Nov 2013 #37

It's highly possible those people would like to see go west young man Nov 2013 #46

Well, yeah, but what fun is that? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #47

Are you implying that your high post rate and go west young man Nov 2013 #50

Just trying to inject some humor into the conversation while tacitly acknowledging geek tragedy Nov 2013 #51

I'm not trying to be condescending. go west young man Nov 2013 #54

No doubt dbackjon Nov 2013 #55

"Except for those we support." JackRiddler Nov 2013 #27

Well, for one, they give us cover. Wilms Nov 2013 #49

You set the bar so low that you don't make sense any more and, worse, The Stranger Nov 2013 #28

So, you've invented rules of grammar and syntax for progressives? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #35

Damn, missed. My vote was "post 1" or "actually in the OP" for that. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2013 #32

Is that for the same reason we appoint bankers to regulate banks and drugs exec to run the FDA? denverbill Nov 2013 #5

That's why we should get christx30 Nov 2013 #6

Uganda is another close U.S. ally. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #29

In all fairness the US did successfully act to stop The Uganda "kill the gays bill". go west young man Nov 2013 #39

North Korea missed out? KamaAina Nov 2013 #8

And this is why the UN is a pathetic joke. jessie04 Nov 2013 #9

Seriously? SoapBox Nov 2013 #11

Ugh. iamthebandfanman Nov 2013 #15

Maybe they get points for not invading anyone lately ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #18

do we laugh or cry ? JI7 Nov 2013 #23

Too bad the U.S. ceded all moral authority to complain. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #24

"Imagine if Vietnam had not been invaded in the greatest international crime after 1945" EX500rider Nov 2013 #38

This comment is so out of whack with reality it boggles the mind Ash_F Nov 2013 #48

Are you saying the North didn't invade and conquer the South? n/t EX500rider Nov 2013 #60

Your rhetoric falls flat in the face of the facts. /nt Ash_F Nov 2013 #62

Pretty sure the North DID in fact repeatedly invade.. EX500rider Nov 2013 #63

The U.S. invasion of Indochina JackRiddler Nov 2013 #58

Those of us fighting for human rights must reach across borders Ash_F Nov 2013 #44

Great post. go west young man Nov 2013 #52