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35. Well knock me over with a feather.

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 08:24 PM

Nov 2013

I really didn't know that "do your own research" was a "classic conspiracy line"!

Wow.

So, suggesting that folks not do any research or checking is, what ... being open minded?

It looks like someone is a bit too cynical if they immediately assume anyone offering an alternative point of view is some kind of conspiracy theorist.

And ... I didn't know I was representing anyone other than myself.
I got interested in statin drugs just about ten months ago when my doctor was on the verge of prescribing one to me just because my bad cholesterol was just a few points higher than normal.

I found the book "The Great Cholesterol Myth" at my local public library branch.
Furthermore, until your smarmy post I didn't even know there was such a thing as 'The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics'.

You know there is constructive cynicism ... which I can appreciate; then there is just snarky, negative cynicism.

Snarky.

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US Doctors Urge Wider Use Of Cholesterol Drugs [View all] Purveyor Nov 2013 OP

Related: New Guidelines For Preventing Heart Attack, Stroke Purveyor Nov 2013 #1

Just say no. eom Mika Nov 2013 #2

Ditto <eom> catrose Nov 2013 #6

I'm with you. sybylla Nov 2013 #37

My doctor said I should take the meds, or else she would truedelphi Nov 2013 #56

I have heard others say this too--it's bullying, really. MADem Nov 2013 #64

You've "heard?" And then you go with the classic naturalistic fallacy. HuckleB Nov 2013 #103

Doctors are NOT always right. You can scold me all the live-long day, but I will not be MADem Nov 2013 #104

Doctors are not always right. HuckleB Nov 2013 #105

Well, I didn't realize I had to provide a frigging peer reviewed article for your journal, there. MADem Nov 2013 #107

You "heard" is shorthand for BS. HuckleB Nov 2013 #108

Yes, and your answer to anything you don't like is a rude and dismissive "BS." MADem Nov 2013 #111

Blah. Blah. Blah. HuckleB Nov 2013 #114

Ha! I rest my case. MADem Nov 2013 #115

You have no case. HuckleB Nov 2013 #122

Listen to you. MADem Nov 2013 #123

Please read and respond to post#75. Indi Guy Nov 2013 #109

Post 75 is a heckuva Gish Gallop. HuckleB Nov 2013 #110

Word. ronnie624 Nov 2013 #118

Absolutely! ronnie624 Nov 2013 #71

Just like margerine was going to make us healthy. kickysnana Nov 2013 #3

Memory/forgetfulness problems are extremely bad with Statins. JimDandy Nov 2013 #36

So are severe muscle pains and stiffness. Psephos Nov 2013 #50

I had nearly debilitating cramps while on my statin. I stopped them within days. Ed Suspicious Nov 2013 #53

Persons having asymptomatic plaque in the right carotid artery are the real candidates DhhD Nov 2013 #69

How about wider use of better diets? villager Nov 2013 #4

Doctors always push better diet and more exercise. HuckleB Nov 2013 #5

Thank you. Aristus Nov 2013 #9

Exactly. HuckleB Nov 2013 #16

Oh cool! Aristus Nov 2013 #31

Stay FAR away from that junk Iwasthere Nov 2013 #11

Baloney. HuckleB Nov 2013 #14

I agree. No matter what the conditions, most doctors start with conservative approaches, diet, lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #55

Most DR start with Conservative Treatment? My Dr started me on a Statin day one. happyslug Nov 2013 #62

An anecdote does not change the term "most." HuckleB Nov 2013 #89

This is uncalled for. CanSocDem Nov 2013 #65

+1 nt laundry_queen Nov 2013 #86

This from one of the great anti-science conspiracy theorists at DU. HuckleB Nov 2013 #90

You mis-characterize me. CanSocDem Nov 2013 #98

Nice PR attempt. HuckleB Nov 2013 #102

I guess that doesn't make the news the way the drug pushing does? villager Nov 2013 #58

You mean like all the crap NDs push on patients? HuckleB Nov 2013 #106

I meant like all the crap your beloved pharmaceutical companies push on patients villager Nov 2013 #112

but doctors have been wrong so many times demigoddess Nov 2013 #99

Anecdotes are so cool. HuckleB Nov 2013 #100

Exactly my thoughts too. Let's promote fruit and vegetables & end GMOs that are poisoning the mother earth Nov 2013 #8

Doctors already push good diet and exercise. HuckleB Nov 2013 #15

Really? Tell that to the bees that are dying from GMO corn with built in insecticide, and let mother earth Nov 2013 #88

The problem is how to integrate exercise with most people's life styles happyslug Nov 2013 #61

Brilliant writing there, happyslug. Ghost Dog Nov 2013 #124

It needed a good editing happyslug Nov 2013 #129

Good advice Ghost Dog Nov 2013 #130

May help for some enlightenment Nov 2013 #77

Your cholesterol load is only about 10% dietary Warpy Nov 2013 #101

Not just no. Hell no. Xithras Nov 2013 #7

I do take statins ailsagirl Nov 2013 #10

I take Lipitor. Amazingly 840high Nov 2013 #34

Really amazing stuff ailsagirl Nov 2013 #38

157?? I be kicking in the street for that low level happyslug Nov 2013 #63

I confess I am on the maximum dose (80 mg) ailsagirl Nov 2013 #78

I am on the max Dose of Lipitor, Tircor, Zetia and Niacin happyslug Nov 2013 #84

That's odd-- what does your doctor say? ailsagirl Nov 2013 #85

I have the rarest type of high Cholesterol, happyslug Nov 2013 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Nov 2013 #97

Wasn't there a recent study showing no link between cholesterol levels and heart attack rates? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #12

There have been a few of them. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #44

Aren't those the drugs I see ads for all the time... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #13

"Side effects include cessation of breathing,uncontrollable urge to gamble, increased use of Depends Divernan Nov 2013 #19

There ws a discussion about these meds here at DU some years back. truedelphi Nov 2013 #57

Ask your doctor if Vaxadrone� is right for you. klook Nov 2013 #24

Dr. Colbert scores again! classof56 Nov 2013 #93

Bob, the drug I would worry about is the one that will give one menstrual pain... Thor_MN Nov 2013 #49

Oh, I'm not worried about that... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #52

I don't suppose it has occurred to them to urge wider use of a low-fat vegan diet....... kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #17

Most patients refuse to make the slightest change in diet and exercise. HuckleB Nov 2013 #23

Most patients are idiots. No wonder this planet is in such trouble. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #26

And they're lucky you're not their doctor. HuckleB Nov 2013 #29

I'd be homicidal if I had become a physician and had to deal with the crap those poor souls do. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #76

Red herring? It's the truth. bitchkitty Nov 2013 #94

It's not the animal fats. It's the high levels of fructose in the processed diet Paulie Nov 2013 #45

False. Saturated fats >>>>> elevated blood cholesterol. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #73

Animal fats are not a problem. Psephos Nov 2013 #51

False. Saturated fats >>>>> elevated blood cholesterol. Refined carbs are also terrible. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #74

Science has moved on. Psephos Nov 2013 #79

Patents are expiring; so Big Pharma/Med dramatically jacks up the numbers of prescriptions! Divernan Nov 2013 #18

Conspriracy BS is so cool. HuckleB Nov 2013 #22

"The wrong question is being asked." - Dr. Dean Ornish klook Nov 2013 #20

Statins can be dangerous. earthside Nov 2013 #21

You can find any opinion you want to find online or in a book. HuckleB Nov 2013 #25

Well knock me over with a feather. earthside Nov 2013 #35

That's because you're so used to pushing it, and seeing it, and no one bothered to inform you. HuckleB Nov 2013 #39

Condescending to be sure. earthside Nov 2013 #41

And you're pushing anti-science BS on the Internet. HuckleB Nov 2013 #43

Critique the argument then. earthside Nov 2013 #46

You've made no argument. HuckleB Nov 2013 #91

The only way to be open minded JackRiddler Nov 2013 #117

Thanks for mentioning that book. truedelphi Nov 2013 #59

FDA Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #125

With diet and exercise, drugs aren't necessary aristocles Nov 2013 #27

It works for a lot of people. HuckleB Nov 2013 #30

Baloney! Lugnut Nov 2013 #28

No Effing Way!!!!!! VA_Jill Nov 2013 #32

INSANITY grasswire Nov 2013 #33

That's why Sgent Nov 2013 #40

curcumin, coconut oil, fish oil BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #47

Meanwhile...Ranbaxy stops generic Lipitor production amid recall for tiny glass particles" dflprincess Nov 2013 #42

Zocor made me sick Mz Pip Nov 2013 #48

Business week did an excellent article about this a few years ago arikara Nov 2013 #54

boycott cruelty veganlush Nov 2013 #60

35 years ago my Dad was put on a special diet HockeyMom Nov 2013 #66

Grain Brain RussBLib Nov 2013 #70

Big pharma urges Doctors to Urge wider use...of Lipitor and Zocor from Pfizer and Merck...nt Evasporque Nov 2013 #67

I'm so cynical. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #68

Seems to me that I recall..... llmart Nov 2013 #72

They probably ate a healthier diet and exercised a lot more leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #80

Big Pharma has been telling us BIG LIES for decades... Indi Guy Nov 2013 #75

My doctor is very science based goldent Nov 2013 #81

"Roughly half the cholesterol panel members have financial ties to makers of heart drugs" flvegan Nov 2013 #82

NEXT: Doctors recommend putting statins in drinking water. jsr Nov 2013 #83

Yo, some DUers! THe plural of anecdote is not data. (Stop Pretending That It Is.) HuckleB Nov 2013 #92

Worse, some of the "Side affects" is the drug making you "normal" happyslug Nov 2013 #95

Side effects can happen for anything, including food. HuckleB Nov 2013 #96

"Data" is not synonym for truth. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #119

Red herrings don't turn BS into reality. HuckleB Nov 2013 #121

You challenge nothing. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #127

Ok so today I learn that I have LDL of 134 flamingdem Nov 2013 #113

Go to this website and download the calculator (red button on the right). winter is coming Nov 2013 #120

Not really.. sendero Nov 2013 #116

Glad to see the science haters alive and well. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #126

What about doctors who don't trust other doctors? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #128

I'll stick with consensus ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #132

I don't get medical advice from those sources. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #133

statin drugs should be over the counter and cheap Sunlei Nov 2013 #131