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demigoddess

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99. but doctors have been wrong so many times

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 10:11 PM

Nov 2013

HRT is a prime example. For years it was a "fountain of youth for women" and then "protect your bones, save your heart" and when my time came, I read how the body and HRT works and said No Thanks!!!. Then 5 or 6 years later, the data finally came out and now HRT is not recommended. But it was DECADES that they gave women HRT before they actually saw it caused too many problems. I have had doctors tell me I wasn't pregnant when I was 3mos along, and I had a daughter born with problems who was sick and doctors would not believe me even when they ran tests. Those tests showed clearly she had a Thyroid problem and they would not believe it. I believe in vaccinations but do not believe in chemotherapy. It does cause more cancer and that is an acceptable risk if you are in danger of dying, but not just to chase one or two cancer cells.

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US Doctors Urge Wider Use Of Cholesterol Drugs [View all] Purveyor Nov 2013 OP

Related: New Guidelines For Preventing Heart Attack, Stroke Purveyor Nov 2013 #1

Just say no. eom Mika Nov 2013 #2

Ditto <eom> catrose Nov 2013 #6

I'm with you. sybylla Nov 2013 #37

My doctor said I should take the meds, or else she would truedelphi Nov 2013 #56

I have heard others say this too--it's bullying, really. MADem Nov 2013 #64

You've "heard?" And then you go with the classic naturalistic fallacy. HuckleB Nov 2013 #103

Doctors are NOT always right. You can scold me all the live-long day, but I will not be MADem Nov 2013 #104

Doctors are not always right. HuckleB Nov 2013 #105

Well, I didn't realize I had to provide a frigging peer reviewed article for your journal, there. MADem Nov 2013 #107

You "heard" is shorthand for BS. HuckleB Nov 2013 #108

Yes, and your answer to anything you don't like is a rude and dismissive "BS." MADem Nov 2013 #111

Blah. Blah. Blah. HuckleB Nov 2013 #114

Ha! I rest my case. MADem Nov 2013 #115

You have no case. HuckleB Nov 2013 #122

Listen to you. MADem Nov 2013 #123

Please read and respond to post#75. Indi Guy Nov 2013 #109

Post 75 is a heckuva Gish Gallop. HuckleB Nov 2013 #110

Word. ronnie624 Nov 2013 #118

Absolutely! ronnie624 Nov 2013 #71

Just like margerine was going to make us healthy. kickysnana Nov 2013 #3

Memory/forgetfulness problems are extremely bad with Statins. JimDandy Nov 2013 #36

So are severe muscle pains and stiffness. Psephos Nov 2013 #50

I had nearly debilitating cramps while on my statin. I stopped them within days. Ed Suspicious Nov 2013 #53

Persons having asymptomatic plaque in the right carotid artery are the real candidates DhhD Nov 2013 #69

How about wider use of better diets? villager Nov 2013 #4

Doctors always push better diet and more exercise. HuckleB Nov 2013 #5

Thank you. Aristus Nov 2013 #9

Exactly. HuckleB Nov 2013 #16

Oh cool! Aristus Nov 2013 #31

Stay FAR away from that junk Iwasthere Nov 2013 #11

Baloney. HuckleB Nov 2013 #14

I agree. No matter what the conditions, most doctors start with conservative approaches, diet, lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #55

Most DR start with Conservative Treatment? My Dr started me on a Statin day one. happyslug Nov 2013 #62

An anecdote does not change the term "most." HuckleB Nov 2013 #89

This is uncalled for. CanSocDem Nov 2013 #65

+1 nt laundry_queen Nov 2013 #86

This from one of the great anti-science conspiracy theorists at DU. HuckleB Nov 2013 #90

You mis-characterize me. CanSocDem Nov 2013 #98

Nice PR attempt. HuckleB Nov 2013 #102

I guess that doesn't make the news the way the drug pushing does? villager Nov 2013 #58

You mean like all the crap NDs push on patients? HuckleB Nov 2013 #106

I meant like all the crap your beloved pharmaceutical companies push on patients villager Nov 2013 #112

but doctors have been wrong so many times demigoddess Nov 2013 #99

Anecdotes are so cool. HuckleB Nov 2013 #100

Exactly my thoughts too. Let's promote fruit and vegetables & end GMOs that are poisoning the mother earth Nov 2013 #8

Doctors already push good diet and exercise. HuckleB Nov 2013 #15

Really? Tell that to the bees that are dying from GMO corn with built in insecticide, and let mother earth Nov 2013 #88

The problem is how to integrate exercise with most people's life styles happyslug Nov 2013 #61

Brilliant writing there, happyslug. Ghost Dog Nov 2013 #124

It needed a good editing happyslug Nov 2013 #129

Good advice Ghost Dog Nov 2013 #130

May help for some enlightenment Nov 2013 #77

Your cholesterol load is only about 10% dietary Warpy Nov 2013 #101

Not just no. Hell no. Xithras Nov 2013 #7

I do take statins ailsagirl Nov 2013 #10

I take Lipitor. Amazingly 840high Nov 2013 #34

Really amazing stuff ailsagirl Nov 2013 #38

157?? I be kicking in the street for that low level happyslug Nov 2013 #63

I confess I am on the maximum dose (80 mg) ailsagirl Nov 2013 #78

I am on the max Dose of Lipitor, Tircor, Zetia and Niacin happyslug Nov 2013 #84

That's odd-- what does your doctor say? ailsagirl Nov 2013 #85

I have the rarest type of high Cholesterol, happyslug Nov 2013 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Nov 2013 #97

Wasn't there a recent study showing no link between cholesterol levels and heart attack rates? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #12

There have been a few of them. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #44

Aren't those the drugs I see ads for all the time... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #13

"Side effects include cessation of breathing,uncontrollable urge to gamble, increased use of Depends Divernan Nov 2013 #19

There ws a discussion about these meds here at DU some years back. truedelphi Nov 2013 #57

Ask your doctor if Vaxadrone� is right for you. klook Nov 2013 #24

Dr. Colbert scores again! classof56 Nov 2013 #93

Bob, the drug I would worry about is the one that will give one menstrual pain... Thor_MN Nov 2013 #49

Oh, I'm not worried about that... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #52

I don't suppose it has occurred to them to urge wider use of a low-fat vegan diet....... kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #17

Most patients refuse to make the slightest change in diet and exercise. HuckleB Nov 2013 #23

Most patients are idiots. No wonder this planet is in such trouble. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #26

And they're lucky you're not their doctor. HuckleB Nov 2013 #29

I'd be homicidal if I had become a physician and had to deal with the crap those poor souls do. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #76

Red herring? It's the truth. bitchkitty Nov 2013 #94

It's not the animal fats. It's the high levels of fructose in the processed diet Paulie Nov 2013 #45

False. Saturated fats >>>>> elevated blood cholesterol. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #73

Animal fats are not a problem. Psephos Nov 2013 #51

False. Saturated fats >>>>> elevated blood cholesterol. Refined carbs are also terrible. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #74

Science has moved on. Psephos Nov 2013 #79

Patents are expiring; so Big Pharma/Med dramatically jacks up the numbers of prescriptions! Divernan Nov 2013 #18

Conspriracy BS is so cool. HuckleB Nov 2013 #22

"The wrong question is being asked." - Dr. Dean Ornish klook Nov 2013 #20

Statins can be dangerous. earthside Nov 2013 #21

You can find any opinion you want to find online or in a book. HuckleB Nov 2013 #25

Well knock me over with a feather. earthside Nov 2013 #35

That's because you're so used to pushing it, and seeing it, and no one bothered to inform you. HuckleB Nov 2013 #39

Condescending to be sure. earthside Nov 2013 #41

And you're pushing anti-science BS on the Internet. HuckleB Nov 2013 #43

Critique the argument then. earthside Nov 2013 #46

You've made no argument. HuckleB Nov 2013 #91

The only way to be open minded JackRiddler Nov 2013 #117

Thanks for mentioning that book. truedelphi Nov 2013 #59

FDA Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #125

With diet and exercise, drugs aren't necessary aristocles Nov 2013 #27

It works for a lot of people. HuckleB Nov 2013 #30

Baloney! Lugnut Nov 2013 #28

No Effing Way!!!!!! VA_Jill Nov 2013 #32

INSANITY grasswire Nov 2013 #33

That's why Sgent Nov 2013 #40

curcumin, coconut oil, fish oil BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #47

Meanwhile...Ranbaxy stops generic Lipitor production amid recall for tiny glass particles" dflprincess Nov 2013 #42

Zocor made me sick Mz Pip Nov 2013 #48

Business week did an excellent article about this a few years ago arikara Nov 2013 #54

boycott cruelty veganlush Nov 2013 #60

35 years ago my Dad was put on a special diet HockeyMom Nov 2013 #66

Grain Brain RussBLib Nov 2013 #70

Big pharma urges Doctors to Urge wider use...of Lipitor and Zocor from Pfizer and Merck...nt Evasporque Nov 2013 #67

I'm so cynical. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #68

Seems to me that I recall..... llmart Nov 2013 #72

They probably ate a healthier diet and exercised a lot more leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #80

Big Pharma has been telling us BIG LIES for decades... Indi Guy Nov 2013 #75

My doctor is very science based goldent Nov 2013 #81

"Roughly half the cholesterol panel members have financial ties to makers of heart drugs" flvegan Nov 2013 #82

NEXT: Doctors recommend putting statins in drinking water. jsr Nov 2013 #83

Yo, some DUers! THe plural of anecdote is not data. (Stop Pretending That It Is.) HuckleB Nov 2013 #92

Worse, some of the "Side affects" is the drug making you "normal" happyslug Nov 2013 #95

Side effects can happen for anything, including food. HuckleB Nov 2013 #96

"Data" is not synonym for truth. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #119

Red herrings don't turn BS into reality. HuckleB Nov 2013 #121

You challenge nothing. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #127

Ok so today I learn that I have LDL of 134 flamingdem Nov 2013 #113

Go to this website and download the calculator (red button on the right). winter is coming Nov 2013 #120

Not really.. sendero Nov 2013 #116

Glad to see the science haters alive and well. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #126

What about doctors who don't trust other doctors? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #128

I'll stick with consensus ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #132

I don't get medical advice from those sources. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #133

statin drugs should be over the counter and cheap Sunlei Nov 2013 #131