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In reply to the discussion: Study: More Guns Lead To More Suicides [View all]petronius
(26,696 posts)6. I find it surprising (and sad, and a bit scary) how impulsive suicide can be,
and how short the interval between first ideation and attempt often is. That impulsive aspect is of particular concern when highly effective means like firearms are available to an individual.
It's also interesting how inaccurate the assumption of "they'll just try again / they'll just find another way" seems to be. Some - even many - people are acting so impulsively and are so fixated on a specific method that if you throw up some barriers, or interrupt the process, they may never try again.
This NYT Magazine article from a few years back was particularly interesting, I thought:
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Beyond sheer lethality, however, what makes gun suicide attempts so resistant to traditional psychological suicide-prevention protocols is the high degree of impulsivity that often accompanies them. In a 1985 study of 30 people who had survived self-inflicted gunshot wounds, more than half reported having had suicidal thoughts for less than 24 hours, and none of the 30 had written suicide notes. This tendency toward impulsivity is especially common among young people and not only with gun suicides. In a 2001 University of Houston study of 153 survivors of nearly lethal attempts between the ages of 13 and 34, only 13 percent reported having contemplated their act for eight hours or longer. To the contrary, 70 percent set the interval between deciding to kill themselves and acting at less than an hour, including an astonishing 24 percent who pegged the interval at less than five minutes.
The element of impulsivity in firearm suicide means that it is a method in which mechanical intervention or means restriction might work to great effect. As to how, Dr. Matthew Miller, the associate director of the Injury Control Research Center, outlined for me a number of very basic steps. Storing a gun in a lockbox, for example, slows down the decision-making process and puts that gun off-limits to everyone but the possessor of the key. Similarly, studies have shown that merely keeping a gun unloaded and storing its ammunition in a different room significantly reduces the odds of that gun being used in a suicide.
The goal is to put more time between the person and his ability to act, Miller said. If he has to go down to the basement to get his ammunition or rummage around in his dresser for the key to the gun safe, youre injecting time and effort into the equation maybe just a couple of minutes, but in a lot of cases that may be enough.
It reminded me of what Richard Seiden said about people thwarted from jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. When I mentioned this to Miller, he smiled. Its very much the same, he said. The more obstacles you can throw up, the more you move it away from being an impulsive act. And once youve done that, you take a lot of people out of the game. If you look at how people get into trouble, its usually because theyre acting impulsively, they havent thought things through. And thats just as true with suicides as it is with traffic accidents.
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Beyond sheer lethality, however, what makes gun suicide attempts so resistant to traditional psychological suicide-prevention protocols is the high degree of impulsivity that often accompanies them. In a 1985 study of 30 people who had survived self-inflicted gunshot wounds, more than half reported having had suicidal thoughts for less than 24 hours, and none of the 30 had written suicide notes. This tendency toward impulsivity is especially common among young people and not only with gun suicides. In a 2001 University of Houston study of 153 survivors of nearly lethal attempts between the ages of 13 and 34, only 13 percent reported having contemplated their act for eight hours or longer. To the contrary, 70 percent set the interval between deciding to kill themselves and acting at less than an hour, including an astonishing 24 percent who pegged the interval at less than five minutes.
The element of impulsivity in firearm suicide means that it is a method in which mechanical intervention or means restriction might work to great effect. As to how, Dr. Matthew Miller, the associate director of the Injury Control Research Center, outlined for me a number of very basic steps. Storing a gun in a lockbox, for example, slows down the decision-making process and puts that gun off-limits to everyone but the possessor of the key. Similarly, studies have shown that merely keeping a gun unloaded and storing its ammunition in a different room significantly reduces the odds of that gun being used in a suicide.
The goal is to put more time between the person and his ability to act, Miller said. If he has to go down to the basement to get his ammunition or rummage around in his dresser for the key to the gun safe, youre injecting time and effort into the equation maybe just a couple of minutes, but in a lot of cases that may be enough.
It reminded me of what Richard Seiden said about people thwarted from jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. When I mentioned this to Miller, he smiled. Its very much the same, he said. The more obstacles you can throw up, the more you move it away from being an impulsive act. And once youve done that, you take a lot of people out of the game. If you look at how people get into trouble, its usually because theyre acting impulsively, they havent thought things through. And thats just as true with suicides as it is with traffic accidents.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06suicide-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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'It is the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped
LanternWaste
Nov 2013
#108
You had enough time to make a douchy post to someone you consider a "gun apologist."
Lizzie Poppet
Nov 2013
#135
guns unlicensed without serious liability coverage in the hands of irresponsible
Tumbulu
Nov 2013
#156
First, you make predictions that have no basis in reality, then refer to yourself in the 3rd person.
cleanhippie
Nov 2013
#158
Jeeez, so your right to arm up trumps everyone elses' rights. Where have I heard that before?
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#35
Pretending the NRA is not a right-wing organization tells us everything we need to know.
DanTex
Nov 2013
#87
I linked to that study. It controlled for criminal history (i.e. arrest record).
DanTex
Nov 2013
#128
But it did control for criminal record, which is the correct thing to control for.
DanTex
Nov 2013
#130
No, the best way to investigate it is to ask about the legality of the gun being carried.
GreenStormCloud
Nov 2013
#132
I choose freedom from worrying about what other people are going to do with guns
treestar
Nov 2013
#153
Yup. Seems like we have to re-invent the wheel every decade. I'm sure people will say it ain't true.
freshwest
Nov 2013
#27
Statistics manipulated. Deaths increasing again since freak peak year just like global warming.
ErikJ
Nov 2013
#17
So do you think any gun control law will reduce suicides or is it purely a mental health issue
hack89
Nov 2013
#53
you agree with me that there's no single factor, yet you said in this thread there's only one
CreekDog
Nov 2013
#56
BS. With leaders like Grover Norquist, John Bolton, etc., NRA is pushing many right wing issues.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#77
And Roe v Wade is gone due to the most right-wing Supreme Court in generations .. oh wait
hack89
Nov 2013
#91
Congress has not given the CDC money to study gun deaths, plus the damage is lasting.
SunSeeker
Nov 2013
#104
If you're saying a gun in the house does not increase your risk of suicide, you're dead wrong.
SunSeeker
Nov 2013
#173
Lotsa data out there on why having a gun around your home is actually a lot more dangerous
go west young man
Nov 2013
#24
Another recent study they deny: "Gun Ownership And Racist Attitudes Are Linked, Study Finds"
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#80
I guess people can argue forever whether the increase in suicides is related to the increase in guns
olddad56
Nov 2013
#113