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reACTIONary

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24. You ask very reasonable questions...
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:19 AM
Nov 2013

... and have a very reasonable perspective.

I don't think the administration is attempting to criminalize adversarial journalism. Holder just recently stated that Justice is not considering prosecution of Glenn Greenwald and doesn't think he committed a crime. The Justice department tapped the AP's phones, but did so to find and prosecute the government employee who divulged classified information, not to arrest and prosecute the reporters who published it. There is also serious consideration of a federal shield law, the Free Flow of Information Act, although I don't know what its current status is.

I'm as much in the dark about the content of the TPP as everyone else is, so I don't know to what extent I agree or disagree with it. I do, however, support the process that is being employed - this is basically because I support effective government, and unfortunately our government hasn't been very effective lately.

I consider this process to be an extension of representative government and majority rule. Nearly everyone realizes that it would be impossible to govern even a small country through direct democracy and universal consensus. Nothing would ever get done collectively. So we adopt majority rule, which means ignoring a lot of the dissenting voices, and representation, which means turning over decision making authority to a smallish group of experts and specialists. Even within the more restricted context of our legislative bodies, a division of labor is necessary, with committees focusing on narrow areas of expertise and making judgments about what the larger body even gets a chance to vote on.

And still it doesn't work!!!! Congress is not exactly a "can do, get 'er done" sort of institution.

Parliamentary governance seems to work more effectively, but we don't have that - instead, we have a deliberately adversarial system that doesn't work very effectively without a strong consensus across four different governing bodies. (I'm counting the house and the senate as two, and I'm including the SCOTUS even through its a bit weak and only gets a say after the fact.)

So, the solution has been to extend the "committee" idea further and further. A base-closing committee or a deficit reduction super committee followed by a general, but limited vote. The "fast track" procedure is a variant on this, and without it, we wouldn't have any trade agreements at all. Because we wouldn't be able to come to any agreement amongst ourselves.

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very few people give a shit pothos Nov 2013 #1
pothos, welcome to DU... Indi Guy Nov 2013 #2
The Plan billhicks76 Nov 2013 #3
I agree with you newfie11 Nov 2013 #9
... And keep on taking the meds, so I understand; Ghost Dog Nov 2013 #18
The guy from MIT is telling us to fight back against the NSA. ucrdem Nov 2013 #4
Can you elaborate? n/t ronnie624 Nov 2013 #5
Probably thinks anyone at MIT is a CS type and therefore The Man, or something equally dumb. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2013 #25
That he is carla Nov 2013 #10
Universities are pretty big places. When a tenured professor with the stature of Chomsky calls out Ed Suspicious Nov 2013 #12
And the fact that he is tenured means he can call out academe for its complicit contributions to LuckyLib Nov 2013 #28
heavens to betsy FatBuddy Nov 2013 #13
Oh look ...someone on DU is defending the NSA. Well isn't that special. L0oniX Nov 2013 #15
... Indi Guy Nov 2013 #34
“We can be confident that any system of power ronnie624 Nov 2013 #6
Mass media propaganda Titonwan Nov 2013 #11
We didn't just steal rocket scientists from the collapsing Third Reich. Maedhros Nov 2013 #17
Not just propaganda; some elements of the political philosophy. Ghost Dog Nov 2013 #19
Not only is it obvious to everyone, it is also... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #21
How? Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #7
Get your representatives to support the Leahy-Sensenbrenner bill, not the Feinstein one muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #14
k&r idwiyo Nov 2013 #8
Sounds a little too much like "You're either with us, or you're against us." baldguy Nov 2013 #16
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #20
Note that Chomsky makes a significant qualification... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #22
I don't think anyone is arguing that nothing should be secret. Maedhros Nov 2013 #23
You ask very reasonable questions... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #24
The TPP is "effective government?" Maedhros Nov 2013 #26
Sad. But basically true. (nt) reACTIONary Nov 2013 #27
Efficient for the oppressor class. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2013 #29
And as those of us who are opressed and downtroden well know... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #30
Just WTF are you talking about? Alternative to what? Maedhros Nov 2013 #31
To liberal, democratic governence.... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #32
I get it. Maedhros Nov 2013 #33
Relax. As long as you are... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #35
kick woo me with science Nov 2013 #36
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