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happyslug

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37. Actually those powers were given to Hindenburg NOT Hitler.
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:55 PM
Nov 2013

And it had NOT been the first time such power was granted to Hindenburg, he had been given those power previously. In fact many observers made the comment that had Hindenburg NOT been President and given those powers, the enabling act would NEVER have passed.

It was understood that Hitler would use those powers. but till his death Hindenburg had the power to revoke that grant of power (thus Hitler merged the Offices of President and Chancellor into one office with him being BOTH).

Just a comment that the people of Germany voted for that act in a fair and open election.

Just as the German Wiemar Constitution permitting such enabling act to be passed, so does the Constitution of Venezuela and it is a power the PRE DATES CHAVEZ. It has been abused in the past, but it is a power the people of Venezuela has granted to Right Wing presidents in the past. The key is NOT the granting of the power but how it will be used. Time will tell us if the power was used for good or bad.

Hindenburg is a good example, when he had been given that power previously, it had NOT been abused by his then Chancellor. The difference was Hitler would be Chancellor under the 1934 Enabling act, not a different right wing politician who was NOT a Nazi (Such a Right wing non Nazi had been Chancellor when the power was granted to Hindenburg previously).

As with Germany in 1928-1934, the key was NOT the enabling act itself, but who was Chancellor and that Chancellor's willingness to abuse that power. Such emergency power is some times necessary, thus it is in the Constitution of Venezuela. Only time will tell if it was abused or not.

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Good luck with that joeglow3 Nov 2013 #1
Hitler was given those powers because of "the Communists" and "the Jews." Archae Nov 2013 #2
Nah, the leaders of Venezuela are perfect davidpdx Nov 2013 #6
Actually those powers were given to Hindenburg NOT Hitler. happyslug Nov 2013 #37
I hope you're right about the granting of such power. Archae Nov 2013 #48
Wow..impressive...it's not often that Theyletmeeatcake2 Nov 2013 #60
Good. Now he can fix everything. Throd Nov 2013 #3
you mean Jackal87 Nov 2013 #9
There goes democracy! hrmjustin Nov 2013 #4
He trumped up charges against a legislator, got her removed, and got a majority to support his MADem Nov 2013 #5
Gee, I wonder how many peasant organizers this tinpot dictator has killed. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #11
over 20,000 murders and 20% of murders commited by police Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #12
A high crime rate is different from political murder. Apples and oranges. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #16
only Honduras is worse than Ven. I didn't realize there was a sliding moral scale Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #19
I don't like police misconduct wherever it happens. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #21
The guy seems to miss the fact Honduras, known for its death squads, Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #23
you could start a GD thread on most corrupt police, but this is about the Ven dictator Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #26
You can buy toilet paper at a reasonable price in Mexico. nt MADem Nov 2013 #41
No mention of the drug cartels is ever made..... Theyletmeeatcake2 Nov 2013 #61
"look over there!" geek tragedy Nov 2013 #14
That is really, really feeble. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #17
Who has the time, indeed! Outstanding comment, perceptive. Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #22
Good stuff... Should shut the pea brains down for a while Theyletmeeatcake2 Nov 2013 #63
Maduro is the one who is acting as dictator, not Santos in Colombia Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #24
Not quite... EX500rider Nov 2013 #32
All kinds of room in the LA group to talk about Columbia ALL DAY LONG.... MADem Nov 2013 #51
Kick and run.. Theyletmeeatcake2 Nov 2013 #62
It's really got to be getting harder and harder Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #25
Is anyone talking up Columbia as a "model?" Archae Nov 2013 #15
It might be more moral to stop pumping boatloads o' taxdollars Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #18
But this thread isn't about Colombia is it? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #33
a Colombia model would be an improvement, really Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #20
Maybe you should try to pay more attention: Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #27
That's called a "diversionary tactic." Maduro is a fucking nitwit who is dragging his nation into MADem Nov 2013 #40
That's called a "straw man"--and no, I haven't seen anyone here leaping out their own butts about MADem Nov 2013 #52
We aren't talking about Colombia, though. Or Joe McCarthy. So why are you changing the subject? MADem Nov 2013 #38
exactly correct n/t Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #13
Hmmmm. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #7
Power to "stamp out opponents"? dlwickham Nov 2013 #8
Rule By Decree for One Year Wolf Frankula Nov 2013 #10
DU'ers, and trolls, have been discussing Venezuela's enabling law Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #28
Maduro's decree powers are ostensibly to 1) combat corruption 2) against the "economic war" Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #29
It's hilarious to watch the defenders and apologists Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #30
yep, the puzzling question is 'why'? There are several examples of leftist leaders in Bacchus4.0 Nov 2013 #31
"Only an idiot would support this moron." MADem Nov 2013 #39
It's a political way of defending a favorite "star." Archae Nov 2013 #49
Castro's crew is running that joint, anyway... MADem Nov 2013 #50
good luck novano Nov 2013 #34
The only thing that's going to happen is Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #35
At least it won't be like right wing hero Pinochet's government... Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #64
So far. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #65
Are people defending this? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #36
A couple of people in this thread are....it's indefensible. nt MADem Nov 2013 #42
I don't understand it. This has never worked out well when tried before. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #43
For reasons that escape me, VZ gets a pass -- despite rampant corruption, extreme incompetence, MADem Nov 2013 #44
Whether it works or not isn't the point Throd Nov 2013 #45
Even though the fashion now, for the "Boligarchs" is a VZ flag track suit and a wad of Yanqui cash. MADem Nov 2013 #53
The problem is those people have their heads in the sand. joshcryer Nov 2013 #55
There's people who'll defend just about anything Posteritatis Nov 2013 #46
Yes, Decree powers in Venezuela are always defended by the usual suspects. joshcryer Nov 2013 #54
I think it could olny lead to disaster. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #56
If used justly, not really. It's just that it's for the upcoming elections. joshcryer Nov 2013 #57
That's an amazing ego he has. christx30 Nov 2013 #47
Sounds like Mittens. Maduro can't be as bad as Willard, can he? freshwest Nov 2013 #58
Poor Venezuela, it was nice knowing you. Beacool Nov 2013 #59
Good. He needs to start sweeping. The country is getting really dusty. Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #66
I guess people in this thread would condemn the National Industrial Recovery Act and the New Deal? Starry Messenger Jan 2014 #67
I believe many would condemn the wages and lack of benefits of the WPA FrodosPet Jan 2014 #68
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