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ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
3. Hartmann: Why Ireland sold their voting machines for scrap metal
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:32 AM
Nov 2013

Ireland decided this week to scrap their voting machines--like the ones here stored in Dublin. They're selling them for scrap metal, because they found they were too unreliable and too easy to hack. They'd only used them once, back in 2002, but that was enough. Unfortunately, America hasn't learned as quickly as the Irish. It used to be in America that exit polls were the gold standard to determine if there were shenanigans in an election. For over a century we used them, and we got very, very good at it. They almost never deviated by more than a few tenths of a point from the actual electoral outcome, and when they did, it was a sure sign of fraud.

Such a sure sign that exit polls were used successfully to expose - and then overturn - fraudulent elections in Ukraine, Serbia, and Georgia. Polling companies were really good at this, and had great success in the election of 1998, when voting machines only recorded 7 percent of the national vote. But in the elections of 2000 and 2002, something odd began to happen. It was called "red shift" because, in certain states where there were a lot of voting machines being used, Republican candidates did better in the vote the machines reported than in the exit polls. In the election of 2004, New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Ohio led the charge with a red shift toward George W. Bush of 276,000 votes in New York, 228,000 in Florida, 190,000 in Pennsylvania, 169,000 in Ohio.

It had started two years earlier, in 2002, when voting machines began to appear everywhere across America because George W. Bush signed into effect a law called the Help America Vote Act or HAVA that gave billions of dollars to the states so they could buy these machines from private corporations like Diebold and ES&S. It was the high water point of the privatization of our vote. For two centuries, our vote was counted by volunteers and government workers overseen by representatives of the political parties. That all changed between 2000 and 2004 - now over 90 percent of our vote is recorded or counted in secret on corporate machines, and those corporations tell us who one our elections. Why is it secret? Because, the voting machine companies say, they have copyright and trademark "rights" to keep their software and hardware secret from us.

....................... http://www.democraticunderground.com/101738459

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Good move, Maryland! Aristus Nov 2013 #1
Democrats billhicks76 Nov 2013 #20
Glad to hear this. Now, if every state would do this: Paper Roses Nov 2013 #2
Hartmann: Why Ireland sold their voting machines for scrap metal ErikJ Nov 2013 #3
Why Germany outlawed voting machines in 2009. Stevepol Nov 2013 #15
Best news of the morning Blue Owl Nov 2013 #4
Receipts are useless as paper trails. RC Nov 2013 #5
+1000 crazylikafox Nov 2013 #8
Paper ballots, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling, nothing less. Scuba Nov 2013 #6
Yes! aquart Nov 2013 #11
Hear, hear! n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #23
would love to see this in all states. Glad to see it Maryland! nt littlewolf Nov 2013 #7
Yes! Only 48 more states to go! nt silvershadow Nov 2013 #9
And purple dye on your finger after you vote Blandocyte Nov 2013 #10
The optical scanners can be hacked. therefore ballots need to be counted by hand,*at the precinct*, kath Nov 2013 #12
Great idea in theory Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #17
Well, how does Canada manage it? kath Nov 2013 #25
Canada's ballots are not as complicated as ours Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #26
I was annoyed that they got rid of the "arrow" paper ballots here in the first place... devils chaplain Nov 2013 #13
I would bet many states would vote for paper ballots... RussBLib Nov 2013 #14
Gosh, who could have predicted that Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #16
Excellent idea IMO. LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #18
So good to hear some states are looking for a cleaner way to vote. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #19
"To avoid the fear of computers eating voters"... druidity33 Nov 2013 #21
Hal, open the voting booth doors! Thor_MN Nov 2013 #27
Excellent! lonestarnot Nov 2013 #22
DO you all realize that Maryland is assuming the paper ballot is electronically scanned? brooklynite Nov 2013 #24
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