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Scootaloo

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43. Israel's place as "our great ally in the region" is an inherently tenuous one
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 11:01 PM
Nov 2013

That's a big part of what their government's panic is about. Make no mistake, we will ditch them the moment a better option arises in the region. Israel just does not have nearly enough non-military influence in the region, and their behavior makes them an albatross around our neck. It's just that even with these problems, they're the best option for a cemented relationship.

- A democratic Egypt is our #1 interest. Egypt is strong in terms of military, finances, and regional influence. The only problem is it's been ruled by - and is currently being ruled by - savage military juntas. Good enough for a strategic alliance, but not good enough for lasting political affiliation.

- Barring Egypt, then an open Iran is our better deal. And Iran is opening up, so Israel is shitting itself. iran is, of course, not perfect. But it's frankly leagues ahead of any other nation in the region, barring perhaps Turkey and Israel - And Turkey's dead-set on Europe, and iran lacks Israel's heavily-tarnished record in the region.

when you see Israel and Saudi Arabia maneuvering in the middle east, this is essentially the core of it - both states are trying to preserve their status as US favorites by hindering or crippling potential rivals to that place.

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Oh, shut up and get back to stealing Palestinian land. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #1
ITA! I'm sick of the God's Chosen People card being played........ TheDebbieDee Nov 2013 #6
Exactly. SoapBox Nov 2013 #10
+1 Snowfield Nov 2013 #22
This. LeftOfWest Nov 2013 #11
I concur, Nut-n-yahoo and his cronies refuse to allow c588415 Nov 2013 #18
Hmmm so a deal that would take Nukes out of the hands of your BIGGEST enemy is a mistake????? Heather MC Nov 2013 #2
when ya love excuses for killing brown folks iamthebandfanman Nov 2013 #5
I have seen your future, Bibi BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #3
ill tell ya what was a historic mistake.. iamthebandfanman Nov 2013 #4
But They Had The RIGHT to do that Wolf Frankula Nov 2013 #24
Netanyahu is an 'Historic Mistake' pangaia Nov 2013 #7
Thanks for using proper grammar. Indi Guy Nov 2013 #14
Glad you noticed. pangaia Nov 2013 #15
I noticed too! :) Cha Nov 2013 #17
I actually had points taken off an historic report in college for using it. n/t madeline_con Nov 2013 #47
Its that crazy mentality that many have... Lobo27 Nov 2013 #8
Netanyahu is the historic mistake. blackspade Nov 2013 #9
This man is shameful Scootaloo Nov 2013 #12
I'm with you completely . . . another_liberal Nov 2013 #36
I see that a lot of posters feel the same way; but it's not so. Scootaloo Nov 2013 #42
agreed n/t madeline_con Nov 2013 #48
For a historic mistake, how does this compare to . . . Jack Rabbit Nov 2013 #13
Israel is our great ally in the region, but he needs to be a bit more flexible. They are keeping RBInMaine Nov 2013 #16
with "allies" like these usurper rogues, who needs enemies? Snowfield Nov 2013 #20
you forgot pollard... madrchsod Nov 2013 #30
I could have supplied dozens of further examples Snowfield Nov 2013 #39
I never understand what is meant by "our great ally" as I don't have warm feelings Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #32
Hear! Hear! another_liberal Nov 2013 #37
Israel's place as "our great ally in the region" is an inherently tenuous one Scootaloo Nov 2013 #43
thanks for your perspective. I am in favor of everybody getting along. Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #45
I have had a theory for a while... iandhr Nov 2013 #19
Silence from a lot of Israel supporters lately. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #21
I'm a supporter of Israel DavidDvorkin Nov 2013 #23
I support Israel. But Bibi isn't Israel. Which Bibi forgets. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #25
No he isn't, just like bush wasnt America, though some posts in this thread fail to distinguish that lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #26
Yet he was democratically elected. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #28
The election was extremely close in this country, stolen or not. The second term bush did win. lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #29
It's a little more complicated than that, actually Scootaloo Nov 2013 #44
I am a supporter of Israel and a long time member of J Steet karynnj Nov 2013 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Purveyor Nov 2013 #27
Do you think that might be on the table? Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #31
It will happen someday. another_liberal Nov 2013 #38
Netanyahu is the historic mistake! Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #33
BiBi...no one is listening to you. This is a BIG DAY for peace. MADem Nov 2013 #34
It must be deeply disappointing . . . another_liberal Nov 2013 #35
well said n/t madeline_con Nov 2013 #49
Screw Bibi. Arkana Nov 2013 #40
Qucik! Dial Whine-One-One! Bibi needs a... KamaAina Nov 2013 #41
Yes, it is. Hundreds of thousands dead, millions displaced, trillions wasted. Orsino Nov 2013 #50
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