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struggle4progress

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10. Oh, Mr President! Would a real mountaineer switch direction if the planned ascent
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 08:55 AM
Nov 2013

suddenly seemed impossible due to a change in the weather? Hell, no! one presses bravely ahead, heroically determined to move up! up! up! regardless of the likely outcome!

Does a real general ever modify his plans in the middle of a war, due to some shifting of the conditions in the field, motivated perhaps by some desire to save his troops for another day? No! no! no! a thousand times no! We should remember the grand examples of the Western front in the Great War, where generals never once deviated from their brilliant plans but again and again marched thousands! then tens of thousands! and finally hundreds of thousands of men into the enemy's machine gun fire at enormous cost! refusing to be discouraged by their defeats! showing remarkable resolve from their command posts far behind the lines! Now those people were real leaders!

And when a real man jumps boldly into his truck and heads for his destination, does he ever adjust his speed and direction to take into account other traffic on the road? Or does he lift his foot from the gas pedal if smoke pours from the hood, followed by flames? Never! never! never, Mr President! One must remain strong and determined to head where one intended originally to go, without any regard for consequences!

Pragmatists are lily-livered folk, the sort of people who say things like This old can of meat was rusty and bulging, and when I started to open it, some foul-smelling foamy stuff spewed all over the room, so I decided not to eat it. It shows no consistency! It shows no ability to follow-through on one's intentions! Pragmatists say things like I was going to go to the grocery store but the six inches of inch on the road is starting to melt, TV news is reporting full gasoline tanker just overturned in the grocery store parking lot and seems to be leaking, and all ten vehicles that have driven by my house in the last hour have skidded off the road and are stuck in the drainage ditch, so I think I'll just have some peanut butter and crackers tonight. Yeah? Well, what kind of example does that set for our children? Nobody respects pragmatists.

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We've noticed Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #1
No kidding. jsr Nov 2013 #4
Ridiculous, as though has Obama has dictatorial powers. lumpy Nov 2013 #28
So, directing your Justice Department Kelvin Mace Dec 2013 #43
Shouldn't the Pres. get advice from experts re. the feasibility in taking actions? Perhaps he has . lumpy Nov 2013 #37
Instant satisfaction? Kelvin Mace Dec 2013 #42
He might have been able to do more Cosmocat Jan 2014 #72
He should have gone after them upon winning first election when he had the country behind him on point Jan 2014 #76
+1000 RC Jan 2014 #77
OK Cosmocat Jan 2014 #78
Don't kill me yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #52
That is certainly a counter argument Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #58
Very good points yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #61
And in the long run, going after the war criminals would have been the better choice. RC Jan 2014 #79
So Kevin, what is the legal limit before drone strikes, including against citizens of the United 24601 Feb 2014 #82
The use of drones against anyone outside a battlefield, Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #83
So if someone is planning & directing attacks against you, is their current location part of the 24601 Feb 2014 #86
What is the evidence that someone is making these plans? Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #87
Let's start with a fundamental disagreement it's always a war to attack a civilian. A civilian may 24601 Feb 2014 #88
Right off I have a disagreement: Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #91
Sad but true. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #90
Corporate media is working overtime to Iliyah Nov 2013 #2
Are you seeing the linked article as a negative one? IDemo Nov 2013 #3
thank you passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #5
Obama is not ideological in the sense that he is not working toward any particular political lumpy Nov 2013 #29
with some politicians, it's not what idea but which people yurbud Nov 2013 #39
yeah, we know Skittles Nov 2013 #6
it doesn't take an ideology to defend the Constitution or the Rule of Law. grasswire Nov 2013 #7
So if he wants everyone to "get a fair shake" dflprincess Nov 2013 #8
Talk to God, those are tall order, God has more time and power. lumpy Nov 2013 #30
That's complete nonsense. Bradical79 Jan 2014 #50
ah--Blairite, then nt MisterP Nov 2013 #9
Oh, Mr President! Would a real mountaineer switch direction if the planned ascent struggle4progress Nov 2013 #10
Indeed. ElboRuum Nov 2013 #11
Pragmatists RobinA Nov 2013 #13
Where there is no vision.... pscot Nov 2013 #17
More ideological nonsense... ElboRuum Nov 2013 #19
What a load. U4ikLefty Nov 2013 #27
Yes it did. ElboRuum Nov 2013 #40
Thank you. lumpy Nov 2013 #31
"pragmatists" are more like generals who know their troops will be killed yurbud Nov 2013 #25
Sounds more like the description of an ideologue. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #55
I have more respect for ideologues than corrupt politicians yurbud Jan 2014 #66
heheh treestar Nov 2013 #41
Remember back in the day . . . Brigid Jan 2014 #53
Thanks struggle! Whatever, I'm just Cha Jan 2014 #70
Nothing like pragmatically loosing elections to republicans! /nt Ash_F Jan 2014 #71
"everyone getting a fair shake" and "a strong national defense" are at odds ... Myrina Nov 2013 #12
No matter how insane or malignant the Republicans are, I will meet them half way (at least) Doctor_J Nov 2013 #14
Is this his way of saying he stands for nothing? Doctor_J Nov 2013 #15
??? lumpy Nov 2013 #32
Which I can appreciate... Xyzse Nov 2013 #16
Wrong forum Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #18
In other words, "I am no liberal." tblue Nov 2013 #20
great--that's like going to the grocery store and none of the cans or boxes have labels or lists of yurbud Nov 2013 #21
Sounds like Obama has an open mind, He's not in a group with set ideas such as a group on which lumpy Nov 2013 #33
Liberal and ideology are two different words with more than one meanings. lumpy Nov 2013 #35
Liberal has broader application than the word ideology. Two different words. lumpy Nov 2013 #38
Pragmatic liberals are the ones who get things done ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #56
if politicians don't really stand for any particular ideas, we don't have a real choice when we vote yurbud Nov 2013 #22
Pretty Much... RobinA Nov 2013 #23
He ran as a Democrat, which supposedly is a particular ideology yurbud Nov 2013 #24
The word idea has a broader meaning than ideology. For instance, " Huckabee had the idea that lumpy Nov 2013 #36
Drivel BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #26
People need dictionaries. nuff said lumpy Nov 2013 #34
I think he is just an intellectual mess. He uses ideology when it suits him. Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #44
He does? That's a load of bull! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #45
OK, OK. He does not use ideology. He just makes stuff up as he goes. Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #48
Oh, just like you do. Put a sock in it. You have no clue what you're talking about. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #67
I don't get it. Are you saying he's ideological or not? Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #68
"Put a sock in it. You have no clue what you're talking about." WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #84
Centrism is an ideology Enrique Jan 2014 #46
"I don't really have any particular ideals" FiveGoodMen Jan 2014 #47
He's simply saying he's a moderate.. which shouldnt be a shock to anyone. DCBob Jan 2014 #49
Really. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jan 2014 #51
Obama was a product of the Daley Machine. former9thward Jan 2014 #54
Pragmatic liberals are the ones who get things done ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #57
You are not inducing in me an urge to get more involved with the Democratic party Fumesucker Jan 2014 #63
The fact that I responded to your OP JoePhilly Jan 2014 #64
My OP? Fumesucker Jan 2014 #65
I was responding by phone ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #74
Perspectives often differ Fumesucker Jan 2014 #75
Yeah, pragmatic progressivism is very powerful. joshcryer Jan 2014 #69
I believe Dracula said the same thing rock Jan 2014 #59
Yow! That's harsh. Pterodactyl Feb 2014 #80
Nor will his presidency prove to be particularly memorable DerekG Jan 2014 #60
Cool. truthisfreedom Jan 2014 #62
No kidding. nt TBF Jan 2014 #73
Funny, none of this was mentioned Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #81
Except, you know, that whole thing about saying exactly that Recursion Feb 2014 #89
"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything" Zorra Feb 2014 #85
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