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131. Banning smoking in apartments wont make it easier to quit smoking...

Tue Nov 26, 2013, 09:09 AM

Nov 2013

Any more than banning heroine makes it easier to stop shooting up. If that would the case, you wouldn't see smokers huddled outside in sub-zero weather or pouring rain just to have a smoke.

The kids in the apartment across the hall from us smoke and not once has their smoke ever permeated our space. We don't "share air" any more than me and the neighbor next door. Actually, every time the neighbor next fires up his grill, our apt fills with his damn charcoal smoke. How many carcinogens in that, I wonder. Maybe outdoor grilling should be banned too.

Imagine: "those of us who never had weight problems don't want to pay for the... " Or those of us who never drank booze, or those of us who don't need maternity coverage. Who the hell do they think they are driving up my insurance costs?! Banning processed food will make it easier for people to eat healthy! I only eat whole food. Why should I pay for someone elses heart attack? Right?

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San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect [View all] onehandle Nov 2013 OP

One of the reasons I moved to Tucson. OffWithTheirHeads Nov 2013 #1

And Arizona isn't? olddad56 Nov 2013 #3

I'm sick of cigarette smoke seeping into my home from adjoining residences. JimDandy Nov 2013 #41

I don't think it's ridiculous at all. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #46

At least the jack-booted thugs won't have to breathe secondhand smoke Android3.14 Nov 2013 #52

Right, because not poisoning someone's air in their own home is exactly like nazism. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #78

No, but telling people what they can do in their own homes is like Nazism Android3.14 Nov 2013 #87

Can you shoot heroin in your own home, or torture some child? Bandit Nov 2013 #113

So your argument is, if it is harmful to yourself or to a child... Android3.14 Nov 2013 #117

"as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others." Bandit Nov 2013 #118

So outside smoking should be banned as well? bunnies Nov 2013 #127

What about cats and those allergic to cat dander? Android3.14 Nov 2013 #130

What about the rights of non-smokers? Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #120

They can leave Android3.14 Nov 2013 #129

Why should they leave? They're not the ones contaminating someone else's space and air. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #132

That is a thoughtless thing to say. Android3.14 Nov 2013 #137

You are intolerant of people who just want to be able to breathe freely in their own homes. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #138

My tolerance isn't the question Android3.14 Nov 2013 #139

Not strict enough. Ban smoking within 100 ft of any business. truthisfreedom Nov 2013 #2

After we ban trucks and cars maybe.. pipoman Nov 2013 #4

Do you have statistics to back up your claim? JDPriestly Nov 2013 #15

I don't need stats to pipoman Nov 2013 #17

Pump the cabin full of water for an hour. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2013 #24

LOL pipoman Nov 2013 #30

Come to think of it. Water is more poisonous because it will kill you in three minutes. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2013 #34

Not following how any of this pipoman Nov 2013 #35

you were the one to steer the conversation down this.... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2013 #43

about those stats azurnoir Nov 2013 #75

That's very interesting ... Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #119

Here are the stats that I found on estimated deaths from auto pollution. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #116

Whoa, does he really need statistics to prove .99center Nov 2013 #23

Poor people who smoke die just as young as rich people who smoke. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #25

Smoking rates much higher for the less educated and for the poor progree Nov 2013 #39

It is interesting and tragic. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #44

By the way, California which is the state in which this ordinance was passed, JDPriestly Nov 2013 #115

Not stats but, a new study found pollution to be worse than passive smoking. bunnies Nov 2013 #108

"More so than passive smoking," but not more than smoking. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #114

I dont smoke. bunnies Nov 2013 #123

What if the family next door has an asthmatic child? JDPriestly Nov 2013 #128

Banning smoking in apartments wont make it easier to quit smoking... bunnies Nov 2013 #131

the CIG smoke weissmam Nov 2013 #51

I'd love to ban all of the stinky vehicles - they encroach on my freedom to breath air without stink PassingFancy Nov 2013 #103

See my post #108 bunnies Nov 2013 #109

It really is a no-brainer pipoman Nov 2013 #110

Ive always thought so too. bunnies Nov 2013 #111

Personally, I think Treant Nov 2013 #5

Must suck to be you. nt beaglelover Nov 2013 #7

Freedom of peech wreck my personal enjoyment of life. . .especially when Nanjing to Seoul Nov 2013 #11

why "all indoor smoking"? alp227 Nov 2013 #13

If you read it carefully, it isn't all indoor smoking. It is only smoking in apartments and JDPriestly Nov 2013 #26

They tired prohibition with booze iandhr Nov 2013 #14

It's not prohibition of item. It's restriction within place. onehandle Nov 2013 #18

That's what people said about the smoking ban in bars and restaurants alcibiades_mystery Nov 2013 #55

I agree with those 100% iandhr Nov 2013 #107

Banning outdoor smoking is inevitable. Including the chemical spewing 'e-cigs.' nt onehandle Nov 2013 #20

Quite possibly Treant Nov 2013 #21

Well, ok, I suppose water vapor IS two chemicals. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #47

Technically, no... Treant Nov 2013 #58

Oh, wait... The substance in e-cigs is just water? onehandle Nov 2013 #61

Obviously it changes the equation if someone is vaping something other than e-juice ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #76

Hence my air freshener comment Treant Nov 2013 #83

When you say 'ooga booga chemicals' one should point out, everything is a chemical. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #77

'Global warming is a hoax and carbon dioxide is harmless' onehandle Nov 2013 #82

What's the matter, pissed you cited Fox News in your hurry there? AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #86

Gosh. So many DUers don't smoke, but know so much about it. onehandle Nov 2013 #95

My father died from it. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #96

I changed the one out of four links to one of the hundreds of other sites that reported that story. onehandle Nov 2013 #97

Assumes facts not in evidence. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #98

In your totalitarian dreams, perhaps. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #74

"chemical spewing 'e-cigs" <-------------- what a load of shite Snowfield Nov 2013 #89

I looked at a bottle of vanilla extract in my pantry today. Ingredient #2: propylene glycol AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #99

All indoor smoking? Even if you own your home? penultimate Nov 2013 #60

It's unenforceable Warpy Nov 2013 #6

+1 and I don't think it will hold up in court when challenged. beaglelover Nov 2013 #8

I like the bans on indoor public spaces. Warpy Nov 2013 #9

I'm fine with those bans too..... beaglelover Nov 2013 #10

But what if the person lives in a condo or apartment alp227 Nov 2013 #12

I've lived in lots of apartments.. EX500rider Nov 2013 #112

If you don't own the property SoCalNative Nov 2013 #16

Usually limited by the owner, not the government.. pipoman Nov 2013 #19

Smokers are in the minority in many parts of California. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #29

Smokers are probably the minority just about everywhere as the nationwide smoking rate is about 18% progree Nov 2013 #33

I think it is a stupid law. But... eallen Nov 2013 #31

The interesting aspect is ..banning the use of a legal substance. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #22

There is plenty of precedent regulating legal substances. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2013 #32

They are not banning the use of a legal substance. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #37

It's regulated, not banned Warpy Nov 2013 #42

They are even trying to ban people from smoking on their front porch or in their yards PassingFancy Nov 2013 #105

Balconies won't help LTG Nov 2013 #49

"...but if you�re a smoker, it might not be the place for you." Deep13 Nov 2013 #27

You know the worst place to go in and out of is Walmart and grocery stores. YOHABLO Nov 2013 #28

Smoking is an addiction, and the failure to acknowledge the damage inflicted by an addiction JDPriestly Nov 2013 #38

I admit I'm a smoker SnakeEyes Nov 2013 #140

To say nothing of the formaldehyde emanating from the clothes, furniture and other AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #100

does not mention whether medical marijuana is exempt pothos Nov 2013 #36

Modern codified laws usually have a definitional section. Deep13 Nov 2013 #48

Not exempted LTG Nov 2013 #50

The cost alone mimi85 Nov 2013 #40

People can still smoke outside if they want to. darkangel218 Nov 2013 #45

Ban Assholes as well KentuckyMark Nov 2013 #53

How did we ever survive childhood in the 50? HockeyMom Nov 2013 #54

Every time I had to be in the car with my smoking mom I was nauseous diane in sf Nov 2013 #56

60,000 people die each year in the U.S. from Second Hand Smoke related deaths. (600,000 worldwide) onehandle Nov 2013 #57

How many Boomers survived their childhood? HockeyMom Nov 2013 #59

At 74, I am far older than a boomer. RebelOne Nov 2013 #124

Truly terrible argument. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #135

I have scar tissue in my lungs, visible on an X ray. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #145

How about Third Hand Somking? HockeyMom Nov 2013 #63

Funny you should mention it. It is a thing. onehandle Nov 2013 #65

Mandatory Committment HockeyMom Nov 2013 #67

3rd hand smoke!!! What a bunch of BS! beaglelover Nov 2013 #80

Just because you don't care about its effects on other people, animals and the environment Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #122

I had to wash down my paneling and cabinets in my house when I moved in. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #144

That number seems to grow despite the decline in smokers. SnakeEyes Nov 2013 #141

+1 that's why I don't buy into all this nanny state bullshit! beaglelover Nov 2013 #79

Your home is not entirely your home SnakeEyes Nov 2013 #142

Don't light a candle in the house HockeyMom Nov 2013 #90

Lame. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #121

Over the years, people stopped smoking not because of illness or the price of valerief Nov 2013 #62

Nope, just like Prohibition HockeyMom Nov 2013 #85

There is no science behind this. None. former9thward Nov 2013 #64

Impeach The U.S. Surgeon General! onehandle Nov 2013 #66

Please link to a study. former9thward Nov 2013 #68

Try reading the article. There's a link there. onehandle Nov 2013 #69

Maybe you should read the article. former9thward Nov 2013 #70

There is no study. This is all manufactured nanny state BS! beaglelover Nov 2013 #81

Hey onehandle, that report is pretty big though so it would help support you cstanleytech Nov 2013 #104

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #93

Of course theres no study. bunnies Nov 2013 #126

But it can get people to stop smoking, and you know what they get with that? valerief Nov 2013 #134

Perhaps we should just make smoking a crime RoccoR5955 Nov 2013 #71

In the laid back California town of sunny San Rafael Lived a girl named Pearly Sweetcake... Brother Buzz Nov 2013 #72

As a non smoker, I still find this to be excessive over reach I can't support on point Nov 2013 #73

I don't think this will work out well NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #84

If the walls are not shared (independent) then this won't apply. n/t JimDandy Nov 2013 #101

I will not only smoke in my house Titonwan Nov 2013 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #92

From the city that brought you 420! Egnever Nov 2013 #106

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #91

Outdoor smoking banned salimbag Nov 2013 #94

Setting aside the common pro and anti smoking arguments whats everyones thoughts on what SCOTUS will cstanleytech Nov 2013 #102

They implemented this with public housing in Fort Wayne unrepentant progress Nov 2013 #125

Damn this thread is getting long, I need to step outside snooper2 Nov 2013 #133

GOOD! At least now there is a way to kick the marijuana smokers out of town - good reddens to them!! Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #136

Finished the entire thread SnakeEyes Nov 2013 #143