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Peace Patriot

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52. You got it, loudsue! It's not just the spying that's out of control...
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 02:16 PM
Nov 2013

...and how the spying can be--and likely is being--used to smear/intimidate/blackmail all kinds of people, and ruin their lives and potential influence, just by that means alone--the NSA has the capability, now, to PLANT data into personal computers of which the individual is completely unaware, that can result in prosecutions and imprisonment, if the NSA doesn't like you, or as a 'favor,' say, to prosecutors who need to up their crime busting stats, or for other purposes, such as tampering with the judicial system (say, changing witness testimony).

We also don't know--and probably can't know, our government has become so secretive--WHO the NSA is WORKING FOR. We certainly know, generally, that they are working for the profit of "military-industrial complex" but all sorts of 'favors' may be handed out to private transglobal corporations or even individual billionaires, to smear, intimidate, blackmail and ruin people THEY don't like, with personal info or with dirty tricks.

Our government isn't our government any more. It has been PRIVATIZED--from the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines to the trade secret drone bombers. The privatization of government, especially of the military, has been going on for some time now. It's what President Eisenhower warned us against in his famous last speech in which he entered the phrase "military-industrial complex" into our political language. But, with the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld junta, it has been made SO MUCH worse than it ever has been. There is no longer ANY distinction between government and corporate. We are governed BY corporations FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT. And these buggers who make up the "National Security Agency" are part of a "revolving door" of servants to corporate PROFIT.

In addition to a mishmash of 'personal' favors that are being doled out by the spying/dirty tricks agencies, we need to worry about who/what is behind all this--behind the ruination of our democracy that we can plainly see, every day--for instance, in a Congress with a SINGLE DIGIT approval rating (8%, was it, recently?).

I don't think it's just a wild chaos of personal profiteering--though I do think that there are contending parties and rivalries within the MIC that make it seem wild and chaotic at times. (For instance, the war between the CIA and the Bush Junta that reached a crisis during Katrina, mostly out of sight, and resulted in Rumsfeld being ousted and Cheney being curtailed in 2006, mostly over Iran; or, another, for instance, the current war between the military/police state profiteers of the "war on drugs" and Monsanto, et al, who are ready to legalize, GMO-ize and monopolize the trillion+ marijuana trade). I strongly suspect remote powers, guiding hands, trillionaires on fortified islands somewhere (nope, global warming might swamp them--say, in fortified ranches, say in Paraguay, smack in the middle of the richest resources on earth, with no threatening oceans in sight, but lots of aquifer). (Ha-ha-ha.)

Whoever they are, they have been choosing our presidents, and playing our system like a piano, since they offed JFK. We can tell from the TREND of things--all toward fascism and billionaire/trillionaire profit--that there just about has to be a "guiding hand" group behind it all. But who they are may be impossible to find out. It's likely an international group, for one thing. (In the CIA/Bush Junta war, I think the Chinese were involved, or, at least, Bush Sr.'s Chinese interests, opposed to the nuking of iran, because Iran supplies China with a lot of its oil.)

It may not be important WHO is doing all this--from the privatization of our voting system to the privatization of everything else--that is, who exactly is doing it, who's plan it is. It may be more important simply to recognize that there IS a plan, and to begin attacking/dismantling it, piece by piece. I would start with the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines, partly because "we, the people" still have theoretical power over voting systems, in our states and counties. Likely, the moment such a movement gets momentum, the Diebold Congress would take that power away formally. But it would be worth the fight, since vote counting is SO fundamental. Without transparent vote counting--vote counting in the PUBLIC venue--no other reform is possible, as we have seen recently and over the last decade.

We also need to become suspicious of EVERYTHING we read or get told on TV/radio by the corporate press, because of their inherent pro-fascist, pro-corporate bias, but also because they are being USED, by the NSA and related entities, to smear/ruin/prosecute people who may have no ability to defend themselves, along with other kinds of "Big Lie" propaganda. I'm thinking particularly, right now, of that bullshit about Julian Assange being "wanted by Sweden for questioning on rape charges." That was the compleat dirty trick, if there ever was one.

When you become suspicious, for good reason, about everything you read/see from the corporate press, it is tempting to become paranoid or passive. That we must not do. South Americans have shown us that democracy CAN be restored and CAN work--no matter how much oppression has gone before. We need to follow their example, fix our broken voting system, and get on with it. It's not easy, God knows, but it CAN be done.

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They're making a list and checking it twice. They're gonna find out who has to be iced. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #1
We Allowed This To Happen billhicks76 Nov 2013 #27
Nailed it. Every judge, every cop on the street, every potential juror, subject to blackmail. Scuba Nov 2013 #29
Neutralizing an agitator by [i]actually[/i] exposing any private behaviors JimDandy Nov 2013 #30
Besides being both illegal and unproductive... PSPS Nov 2013 #2
Toucher! defacto7 Nov 2013 #3
Couldn't disagree more dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #13
Yes, exactly. A point that many ignore. n/t Psephos Nov 2013 #16
Not Surprised - Wonder Where The NSA Defenders Are Now That Their Dirty Laundry May Become Public cantbeserious Nov 2013 #4
People will defend anything just because it happens to be the status quo. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #14
I think NSA attackers dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #17
That Would Be Until The Defenders Do Something Worthy Of Exposure In the Eyes Of the NSA cantbeserious Nov 2013 #22
Why is that? dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #26
That Is What I Said cantbeserious Nov 2013 #34
Ah, OK, sorry - eom dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #38
That is just slime slinging. NSA is way past losing their cred, if you ask me. loudsue Nov 2013 #5
If they know what IP you had in a given times frame they could plant it in a server log. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #8
I wondered about that. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #12
You got it, loudsue! It's not just the spying that's out of control... Peace Patriot Nov 2013 #52
It is so good to see you, Peace Patriot! Thanks for that great post! loudsue Nov 2013 #57
Excellent post - thanks! Nihil Nov 2013 #59
You Do Realize That This is Not Being Done in the US, Right? On the Road Nov 2013 #6
Where's your sarcasm flag???? delrem Nov 2013 #18
Congradulations on not reading the article... DRoseDARs Nov 2013 #19
So we've been told. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #20
Curious way to frame that Android3.14 Nov 2013 #32
I think you misunderstood dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #37
"You Do Realize That This is Not Being Done in the US, Right?" oioioi Nov 2013 #55
We have a free hand in surveilling foreign nationals and so do the Germans Therefore, if Exxon or GE rhett o rick Nov 2013 #58
I wanna see Hannity's porn collection. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #7
"I wanna see Hannity's porn collection." greiner3 Nov 2013 #36
You need to click on the ellipsis (...) AAO Nov 2013 #47
Click the button with the three dots... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #48
I wanna know how much the NSA is spending on new keyboards jsr Nov 2013 #9
This sounds like an old J Edgar Hoover plan DJ13 Nov 2013 #10
J Edgar Hoover's ghost haunts us still, having never been purged Hekate Nov 2013 #23
on point • "J.Edgar's Safe" FraDon Nov 2013 #35
CIA employed it too for the so-called "honey traps" Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #50
There only one thing more pornographic...... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #11
K & R dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #15
+1 n/t JimDandy Nov 2013 #31
+1 Poll_Blind Nov 2013 #53
As long as its not being done domestically.. iamthebandfanman Nov 2013 #21
"As long as its not being done domestically.." oioioi Nov 2013 #56
Yes, but how many strokes? Lol grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #24
It all hearkens back to J. Edgar Hoover.... ReRe Nov 2013 #25
All the government needs to do CFLDem Nov 2013 #28
A comedy twist polynomial Nov 2013 #33
Funny how HP minimizes the fact that there are only 6 foreign individuals identified. randome Nov 2013 #39
There's no NSA filth you won't defend. Sad, but expected at this point. nt DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #40
So you don't believe what the article says, then? randome Nov 2013 #41
That you can say "facts matter" when it comes to the NSA is telling. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #42
randome: It has already been established that NSA collects data on everyone. SpankMe Nov 2013 #45
They do not 'collect everything'. That's absurd. randome Nov 2013 #46
"They do not 'collect everything'. That's absurd." oioioi Nov 2013 #54
There's a reason they are building that data christx30 Nov 2013 #61
No they aren't NobodyHere Nov 2013 #62
Just an excuse... HoosierCowboy Nov 2013 #43
That ain't right... Scurrilous Nov 2013 #44
This is indefensible except to propagandists and fools. woo me with science Nov 2013 #49
Snowden--the hits just keep on coming. Thank you, man of the year. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #51
I doubt if their audience cares that they are porn addicts marshall Nov 2013 #60
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