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Tyhanna

(145 posts)
66. ANTZ abound....
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:10 PM
Nov 2013

Dr. Glantz is a huge #1 ANTZ, he will do anything he can to make all products having to do with tobacco go away including lie.
What hes not saying is how many people the e-cigarette (including teens) has helped to get off cigarettes, burning tobacco being the thing that cause all the health problems in people, not the nicotine.

Where I don't think teens should start up using e-cigarettes that have never smoked, those that do smoke need to quit or find a safer alternative to smoking if there going to do it. Teens have been smoking since cigarettes started hundreds and hundreds of years ago. I don't think that is going to change and even with all the regulation and laws teens are still smoking. Just like they drink alcohol and have sex. People should look at what caffeine does to children, people have no problem giving kids caffeine all the time.

With that being said they have found that nicotine with out the burning tobacco is not addictive to those that have never smoked. These were the people they used the patch for other medical problems.

The CDC study didn't show all the numbers, and didn't tell you that they never ask one of the most important questions having to do with addiction, "daily use" ( or at least they didn't show the numbers) and they didn't show how many of those teens were smokers already before using the e-cigarette.

"Dr. Thomas Frieden is the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Recently the organization released alarming numbers claiming the electronic cigarette trial among teens from 2011 to 2012 had doubled. This alone is a somewhat misleading statistic, but Frieden sat down with health news site Medscape for an interview and showed just how misleading he could make this figure......"
http://www.ecigadvanced.com/blog/cdc-director-doesnt-understand-his-own-organizations-e-cig-research/

Seems there is always two sides to a story, but most will not look at both sides and fall into what ever side they like.


What it comes down to is loss of money to all the organizations that make money from Smoking cessation. The government, states, cities, counties all make money from people that smoke. ALA, ACS and the many others all get money from Big Pharma to push NRTs programs. So they will do anything they can to keep the money coming in including lie when they need to. The deep dark sick secret is they really don't want cigarettes to go away 100% and they see the e-cigarettes could make this happen. They also see that because there is no harm from e-cigs they wont have the ability to tax them like they did cigarettes.

There are more companies out there that make and sell e-cigarettes and e-juice, and all the parts that have nothing to do with Big Tobacco companies. Right now there are only 3 e-cigs made by BT, where there are hundreds of companies selling different kinds of e-cigs.

There are estimated 4 million using e-cigs in the US, and 10 million in other countries right now. Not one person has died in the 10 years e-cigs have been used from direct use of them. That is 14 million people world wide getting healthier every day they don't smoke. I thought that is what everyone wanted. E-cigs are targeted to those that just cant stop smoking, that have tried everything and nothing has worked. OR for those that want a safer alternative to smoking.

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Why did you delete this thread about ecigs and start a new one here within minutes? OhioChick Nov 2013 #1
Someone sent me a better story that worked for LBN. nt onehandle Nov 2013 #3
A better link? Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #7
That one was not generating enough outrage... ChromeFoundry Nov 2013 #6
I agree with you. Most of the posts on the former thread were not anti-ecig so we must try again. OregonBlue Nov 2013 #16
And a great way... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #2
Adolescents are barred from buying them frazzled Nov 2013 #4
No they aren't. Laws are being considered in local governments, but there is no federal restriction. onehandle Nov 2013 #10
You can't buy them at Walgreen's or 7/11 without showing ID frazzled Nov 2013 #15
You can't buy them at local tobacco shops in my area without ID azurnoir Nov 2013 #22
Yeah, just what we need, another federal law. We don't have enough of those. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #31
Dang You Revenuers! Git Off Mah Property! onehandle Nov 2013 #32
Yeah, because federal alcohol prohibition and federal drug prohibition worked so well. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #34
So you're promoting state's rights over federal legislation? JimDandy Nov 2013 #33
As someone who has toiled in the fields of drug law reform, yeah. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #35
And it doesn't matter what the laws say. christx30 Nov 2013 #18
Kids are gonna smoke Scairp Nov 2013 #48
If e-cigs are increasing adolescent smoking rates, that's bad. pnwmom Nov 2013 #54
How would vaping increase smoking rates? TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #57
Is that a serious question? Marketing anything can increase use. pnwmom Nov 2013 #58
Vaping isn't smoking because there is no combustion and no smoke. Why would you prefer teens smoke? TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #62
I prefer teens not get addicted to nicotine in whatever delivery system, pnwmom Nov 2013 #64
what you dont understand Tyhanna Nov 2013 #72
Kids were consuming less nicotine. Now, thanks to e-cigs, pnwmom Nov 2013 #78
That's not what the US research says. jayfish Nov 2013 #82
So we should just be hoping that study is right, and not the other one? n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #85
No, I tend To Trust Studies From The Culture In Which I Live. Like This One,,, jayfish Nov 2013 #103
No, and in fact, you're apparently the one for whom 'the research' is too difficult to understand .. brett_jv Nov 2013 #87
with that thinking.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #67
OF COURSE those sweet alcohol drinks are marketed to young people. pnwmom Nov 2013 #71
They are for adults not children... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #74
They are directly targeting young people. pnwmom Nov 2013 #76
Ah, now I see the issue(s) ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #91
What I have noticed is that nicotine addicts are extremely adept pnwmom Nov 2013 #109
Really ?? Tyhanna Nov 2013 #114
You're working with outdated information. Big tobacco is taking over. pnwmom Nov 2013 #115
but thats not all there is.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #116
And you think big tobacco will stay away from any product that might be profitable? pnwmom Nov 2013 #117
again Tyhanna Nov 2013 #119
do you really believe... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #75
Research, as opposed to your personal experience, pnwmom Nov 2013 #77
There Are No Research Results On The Addictive Properties Of Nicotine... jayfish Nov 2013 #80
Nicotine is so highly addictive because of its chemical makeup, pnwmom Nov 2013 #84
Lets just say, okay, it's highly addictive. brett_jv Nov 2013 #88
You Just Helped Prove My Point. jayfish Nov 2013 #90
cigs have freebase nicotine Mosby Nov 2013 #99
read this Tyhanna Nov 2013 #93
Much healthier than candy cigarettes Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #5
Someone said that the e cigarettes are about the nicotine delivery…I thought they had no nicotine.. Tikki Nov 2013 #8
it's an option snooper2 Nov 2013 #11
Wouldn't nicotine gum be less intrusive around others than e-cigarettes? Tikki Nov 2013 #25
you don't hang e-cigs off your lip LOL, you take a puff, stick it back in your pocket snooper2 Nov 2013 #28
Well, I know you don't inhale..I've been schooled on that…so you puff like with a dandelion.. Tikki Nov 2013 #44
Nicotine gum doesnt work. N/T beevul Nov 2013 #60
Worked for me when I was quitting smoking. You're wrong again. nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #65
Only for about no more than 20-30% of the population does it work. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #68
Can we all safely assume that youd call a seat belt that works 20-30 percent of the time... beevul Nov 2013 #123
Saying "nicotine gum does not work" is an absolute statement. I provided an exception, proving Electric Monk Nov 2013 #124
Fine. I'm 70-80 percent right. beevul Nov 2013 #125
I never said it worked everytime. I said it worked for me. You continue to fail. nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #126
interesting .. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #131
I still have some gum, and haven't used it in over a year, and I'm fine. Occasional cravings pass.nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #132
not possible Tyhanna Nov 2013 #133
i prefer to think of it as a money delivery system for the tobacco companies. unblock Nov 2013 #17
it's actually the opposite fbc Nov 2013 #45
where does the nicotine come from? unblock Nov 2013 #52
Laboratory nicotine is made from tomato or eggplant plants. politicat Nov 2013 #59
well......... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #69
Mostly China fbc Nov 2013 #122
hum addiction is a funny thing... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #63
They come in different forms. Amimnoch Nov 2013 #20
There are cigarette smokers like that, too. Tikki Nov 2013 #27
I don't think I could do that. Amimnoch Nov 2013 #41
E-cigs are a much healthier alternative for tobacco smokers. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #30
I don't understand vaporing e cigarettes…why not feed a nicotine habit with gum or a lozenge? Tikki Nov 2013 #39
Because it is more than nicotine addiction; it is a set of behaviors. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #40
Exactly! I found the gum and patches useless. Amimnoch Nov 2013 #42
That I understand..when I quit smoking 11 years ago…I put on weight right away…then I started losing Tikki Nov 2013 #107
Why Not Feed A Caffeine Habit With NoDoze Or 5-hour Energy Instead of Coffee. -NT- jayfish Nov 2013 #106
Korea has a serious underage smoking problem! Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #9
Most likely started on regular cigarettes and switched to ecigs since they are much, much cheaper. OregonBlue Nov 2013 #12
or they smoked cigs and started e-cigs d_r Nov 2013 #14
But that would undermine the OP Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #19
oh, got it d_r Nov 2013 #23
I believe all states have regulations regarding the sale of ecigs to minors that are identical to OregonBlue Nov 2013 #13
Only nine states. onehandle Nov 2013 #21
I did not know that. Since most ejuice contains nicotine, it should be regulated. Minors should not OregonBlue Nov 2013 #38
Not LBN dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #24
She'll have to start a 3rd anti e-cig thread Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #26
Yeah, keep ignoring the harvard study to bang that drum. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #29
What if it's an Apple iCig? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #36
Good one! OrwellwasRight Nov 2013 #110
Wild West Marketing and the FDA PATRICK Nov 2013 #37
Fascinating. Demit Nov 2013 #49
A lot of kids are using e cigarettes these days obama2terms Nov 2013 #43
Bet any amount of money they started smoking before they started vaping ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #51
I think these are better than cigarettes too obama2terms Nov 2013 #55
Do They Test The E-liquid For Nicotine Content? jayfish Nov 2013 #73
Because you can't smell them jberryhill Nov 2013 #79
Yeah obama2terms Nov 2013 #118
What if I want to vape my medical marijuana? Or my legal marijuana in Colorado? Xithras Nov 2013 #46
Then explain the CDC report? frustrated_lefty Nov 2013 #47
this will help explain Tyhanna Nov 2013 #70
What a bunch of bullcrap hype ... the article, and some of the responses here too, sadly ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #50
Lil quibble, my supplier says the nicotine is extracted from eggplant and tomato leaves TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #56
I've read an article that strongly suggests (i.e. unequivocally) that such suppliers ... are lying. brett_jv Nov 2013 #83
The article is running on a faulty assumption since the fruit isn't what is used but the leaves and TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #134
I tend to believe.. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #135
Pedal cars Politicalboi Nov 2013 #53
I'll Tell You What. jayfish Nov 2013 #61
+100000000 brett_jv Nov 2013 #92
ANTZ abound.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #66
baloney elehhhhna Nov 2013 #81
Then again, getting hooked on candy flavored nicotine Warpy Nov 2013 #86
Carbon monoxide will screw up their system, bitchkitty Nov 2013 #94
nicotine doesn't.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #96
Actually, it does, thanks to its dramatic effect on smooth muscle Warpy Nov 2013 #98
Does this pharmacology distinguish between nicotine from combusted... jayfish Nov 2013 #101
I see. You'd rather insult people than look it up. Warpy Nov 2013 #108
"Check out the pharmacology instead of folk "wisdom" some day." jayfish Nov 2013 #112
its not the nicotine that does that its the other chemicals in cigarettes Tyhanna Nov 2013 #113
Do you honestly think medical science has missed studying pure nicotine? Warpy Nov 2013 #120
By Golly, I Found Some. And The Results Don't Look Good For The ANTZ jayfish Nov 2013 #121
Not even sure it's proven that nicotine alone will do those things ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #97
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #89
There is plenty of research out there right now n/t Tyhanna Nov 2013 #95
I'd never say 'no' to 'more research' being produced ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #100
CDC Withholding/Twisting Facts: Vaping is increasing, but Smoking is DECREASING in Youth ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #102
More: E-Cigarettes May Not Be Gateway to Smoking: Study jayfish Nov 2013 #104
Society is under NO moral imperative to protect members from benign substances ... Trajan Nov 2013 #105
This demonizing of cigarette alternatives OrwellwasRight Nov 2013 #111
Nicotine will always be about greed and exploitation. Nika Nov 2013 #127
Another Ignorant Comment From Someone Who Has No Idea of What They Are Talking About -NT- jayfish Nov 2013 #128
No successful, cheap and easy drug delivery system has ever been overlooked Nika Nov 2013 #129
No, You Don't Know What You Are Talking About and Further More,... jayfish Nov 2013 #130
hum how about.. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #136
I know what I am talking about. Nika Nov 2013 #137
So... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #138
Your logic/thinking here is flawed, in nearly every conceivable way ... IMHO ... brett_jv Dec 2013 #139
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