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Wed Nov 27, 2013, 07:09 PM

Nov 2013

People are woe-fully misinformed and reactionary when it comes to topic.

In reality, Big Tobacco is trying to crush the vaping movement, which is ALL ABOUT helping people take charge in weaning themselves from BT's wildly profitable and poisonous products.

Listen to us, friends: The pressure to regulate these products comes FROM BIG TOBACCO (and misguided public officials), and you folks on here lobbying for 'more controls' and bemoaning the fact that more people (and ZOMG TEH KIDZZZ!!!!11!!!) are vaping ... ARE PLAYING RIGHT INTO THEIR HANDS.

And YES, it's true that the nicotine comes from tobacco (I consider the claims upthread that the nicotine in e-juice is coming from 'other nightshades' to be ... at best questionable ... but I'm open to 'proof' ... but BT makes WAY less money producing pharma-grade nicotine than it does selling cigs, cigars, cigarillos, etc, plus vaping is easier to eventually quit than actual tobacco products, since you're dealing with only one chemical (nicotine).

Lastly, not ALL tobacco growers producing tobacco for nicotine-creation purposes are 'part' of Big Tobacco.

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Electronic Cigarettes: New Route to Smoking Addiction for Adolescents [View all] onehandle Nov 2013 OP

Why did you delete this thread about ecigs and start a new one here within minutes? OhioChick Nov 2013 #1

Someone sent me a better story that worked for LBN. nt onehandle Nov 2013 #3

A better link? Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #7

That one was not generating enough outrage... ChromeFoundry Nov 2013 #6

I agree with you. Most of the posts on the former thread were not anti-ecig so we must try again. OregonBlue Nov 2013 #16

And a great way... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #2

Adolescents are barred from buying them frazzled Nov 2013 #4

No they aren't. Laws are being considered in local governments, but there is no federal restriction. onehandle Nov 2013 #10

You can't buy them at Walgreen's or 7/11 without showing ID frazzled Nov 2013 #15

You can't buy them at local tobacco shops in my area without ID azurnoir Nov 2013 #22

Yeah, just what we need, another federal law. We don't have enough of those. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #31

Dang You Revenuers! Git Off Mah Property! onehandle Nov 2013 #32

Yeah, because federal alcohol prohibition and federal drug prohibition worked so well. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #34

So you're promoting state's rights over federal legislation? JimDandy Nov 2013 #33

As someone who has toiled in the fields of drug law reform, yeah. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #35

And it doesn't matter what the laws say. christx30 Nov 2013 #18

Kids are gonna smoke Scairp Nov 2013 #48

If e-cigs are increasing adolescent smoking rates, that's bad. pnwmom Nov 2013 #54

How would vaping increase smoking rates? TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #57

Is that a serious question? Marketing anything can increase use. pnwmom Nov 2013 #58

Vaping isn't smoking because there is no combustion and no smoke. Why would you prefer teens smoke? TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #62

I prefer teens not get addicted to nicotine in whatever delivery system, pnwmom Nov 2013 #64

what you dont understand Tyhanna Nov 2013 #72

Kids were consuming less nicotine. Now, thanks to e-cigs, pnwmom Nov 2013 #78

That's not what the US research says. jayfish Nov 2013 #82

So we should just be hoping that study is right, and not the other one? n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #85

No, I tend To Trust Studies From The Culture In Which I Live. Like This One,,, jayfish Nov 2013 #103

No, and in fact, you're apparently the one for whom 'the research' is too difficult to understand .. brett_jv Nov 2013 #87

with that thinking.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #67

OF COURSE those sweet alcohol drinks are marketed to young people. pnwmom Nov 2013 #71

They are for adults not children... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #74

They are directly targeting young people. pnwmom Nov 2013 #76

Ah, now I see the issue(s) ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #91

What I have noticed is that nicotine addicts are extremely adept pnwmom Nov 2013 #109

Really ?? Tyhanna Nov 2013 #114

You're working with outdated information. Big tobacco is taking over. pnwmom Nov 2013 #115

but thats not all there is.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #116

And you think big tobacco will stay away from any product that might be profitable? pnwmom Nov 2013 #117

again Tyhanna Nov 2013 #119

do you really believe... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #75

Research, as opposed to your personal experience, pnwmom Nov 2013 #77

There Are No Research Results On The Addictive Properties Of Nicotine... jayfish Nov 2013 #80

Nicotine is so highly addictive because of its chemical makeup, pnwmom Nov 2013 #84

Lets just say, okay, it's highly addictive. brett_jv Nov 2013 #88

You Just Helped Prove My Point. jayfish Nov 2013 #90

cigs have freebase nicotine Mosby Nov 2013 #99

read this Tyhanna Nov 2013 #93

Much healthier than candy cigarettes Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #5

Someone said that the e cigarettes are about the nicotine delivery�I thought they had no nicotine.. Tikki Nov 2013 #8

it's an option snooper2 Nov 2013 #11

Wouldn't nicotine gum be less intrusive around others than e-cigarettes? Tikki Nov 2013 #25

you don't hang e-cigs off your lip LOL, you take a puff, stick it back in your pocket snooper2 Nov 2013 #28

Well, I know you don't inhale..I've been schooled on that�so you puff like with a dandelion.. Tikki Nov 2013 #44

Nicotine gum doesnt work. N/T beevul Nov 2013 #60

Worked for me when I was quitting smoking. You're wrong again. nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #65

Only for about no more than 20-30% of the population does it work. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #68

Can we all safely assume that youd call a seat belt that works 20-30 percent of the time... beevul Nov 2013 #123

Saying "nicotine gum does not work" is an absolute statement. I provided an exception, proving Electric Monk Nov 2013 #124

Fine. I'm 70-80 percent right. beevul Nov 2013 #125

I never said it worked everytime. I said it worked for me. You continue to fail. nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #126

interesting .. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #131

I still have some gum, and haven't used it in over a year, and I'm fine. Occasional cravings pass.nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #132

not possible Tyhanna Nov 2013 #133

i prefer to think of it as a money delivery system for the tobacco companies. unblock Nov 2013 #17

it's actually the opposite fbc Nov 2013 #45

where does the nicotine come from? unblock Nov 2013 #52

Laboratory nicotine is made from tomato or eggplant plants. politicat Nov 2013 #59

well......... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #69

Mostly China fbc Nov 2013 #122

hum addiction is a funny thing... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #63

They come in different forms. Amimnoch Nov 2013 #20

There are cigarette smokers like that, too. Tikki Nov 2013 #27

I don't think I could do that. Amimnoch Nov 2013 #41

E-cigs are a much healthier alternative for tobacco smokers. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #30

I don't understand vaporing e cigarettes�why not feed a nicotine habit with gum or a lozenge? Tikki Nov 2013 #39

Because it is more than nicotine addiction; it is a set of behaviors. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #40

Exactly! I found the gum and patches useless. Amimnoch Nov 2013 #42

That I understand..when I quit smoking 11 years ago�I put on weight right away�then I started losing Tikki Nov 2013 #107

Why Not Feed A Caffeine Habit With NoDoze Or 5-hour Energy Instead of Coffee. -NT- jayfish Nov 2013 #106

Korea has a serious underage smoking problem! Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #9

Most likely started on regular cigarettes and switched to ecigs since they are much, much cheaper. OregonBlue Nov 2013 #12

or they smoked cigs and started e-cigs d_r Nov 2013 #14

But that would undermine the OP Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #19

oh, got it d_r Nov 2013 #23

I believe all states have regulations regarding the sale of ecigs to minors that are identical to OregonBlue Nov 2013 #13

Only nine states. onehandle Nov 2013 #21

I did not know that. Since most ejuice contains nicotine, it should be regulated. Minors should not OregonBlue Nov 2013 #38

Not LBN dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #24

She'll have to start a 3rd anti e-cig thread Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #26

Yeah, keep ignoring the harvard study to bang that drum. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #29

What if it's an Apple iCig? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #36

Good one! OrwellwasRight Nov 2013 #110

Wild West Marketing and the FDA PATRICK Nov 2013 #37

Fascinating. Demit Nov 2013 #49

A lot of kids are using e cigarettes these days obama2terms Nov 2013 #43

Bet any amount of money they started smoking before they started vaping ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #51

I think these are better than cigarettes too obama2terms Nov 2013 #55

Do They Test The E-liquid For Nicotine Content? jayfish Nov 2013 #73

Because you can't smell them jberryhill Nov 2013 #79

Yeah obama2terms Nov 2013 #118

What if I want to vape my medical marijuana? Or my legal marijuana in Colorado? Xithras Nov 2013 #46

Then explain the CDC report? frustrated_lefty Nov 2013 #47

this will help explain Tyhanna Nov 2013 #70

What a bunch of bullcrap hype ... the article, and some of the responses here too, sadly ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #50

Lil quibble, my supplier says the nicotine is extracted from eggplant and tomato leaves TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #56

I've read an article that strongly suggests (i.e. unequivocally) that such suppliers ... are lying. brett_jv Nov 2013 #83

The article is running on a faulty assumption since the fruit isn't what is used but the leaves and TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #134

I tend to believe.. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #135

Pedal cars Politicalboi Nov 2013 #53

I'll Tell You What. jayfish Nov 2013 #61

+100000000 brett_jv Nov 2013 #92

ANTZ abound.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #66

baloney elehhhhna Nov 2013 #81

Then again, getting hooked on candy flavored nicotine Warpy Nov 2013 #86

Carbon monoxide will screw up their system, bitchkitty Nov 2013 #94

nicotine doesn't.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #96

Actually, it does, thanks to its dramatic effect on smooth muscle Warpy Nov 2013 #98

Does this pharmacology distinguish between nicotine from combusted... jayfish Nov 2013 #101

I see. You'd rather insult people than look it up. Warpy Nov 2013 #108

"Check out the pharmacology instead of folk "wisdom" some day." jayfish Nov 2013 #112

its not the nicotine that does that its the other chemicals in cigarettes Tyhanna Nov 2013 #113

Do you honestly think medical science has missed studying pure nicotine? Warpy Nov 2013 #120

By Golly, I Found Some. And The Results Don't Look Good For The ANTZ jayfish Nov 2013 #121

Not even sure it's proven that nicotine alone will do those things ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #97

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #89

There is plenty of research out there right now n/t Tyhanna Nov 2013 #95

I'd never say 'no' to 'more research' being produced ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #100

CDC Withholding/Twisting Facts: Vaping is increasing, but Smoking is DECREASING in Youth ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #102

More: E-Cigarettes May Not Be Gateway to Smoking: Study jayfish Nov 2013 #104

Society is under NO moral imperative to protect members from benign substances ... Trajan Nov 2013 #105

This demonizing of cigarette alternatives OrwellwasRight Nov 2013 #111

Nicotine will always be about greed and exploitation. Nika Nov 2013 #127

Another Ignorant Comment From Someone Who Has No Idea of What They Are Talking About -NT- jayfish Nov 2013 #128

No successful, cheap and easy drug delivery system has ever been overlooked Nika Nov 2013 #129

No, You Don't Know What You Are Talking About and Further More,... jayfish Nov 2013 #130

hum how about.. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #136

I know what I am talking about. Nika Nov 2013 #137

So... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #138

Your logic/thinking here is flawed, in nearly every conceivable way ... IMHO ... brett_jv Dec 2013 #139