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115. You're working with outdated information. Big tobacco is taking over.

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 11:03 PM

Nov 2013

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/11/18/big-tobacco-begins-its-takeover-of-the-e-cigarette-market/

Lorillard Inc.LO -0.44%, the No. 3 U.S. tobacco player and maker of Newport cigarettes, acquired the blu e-cigarette brand last year and has spent heavily to boost blu’s distribution and marketing. Blu is now the clear national leader, ahead of other major e-cigarette brands such as NJOY, Logic, Fin and Mistic that aren’t owned by a major manufacturer of traditional cigarettes.

Now comes news from Colorado, where Reynolds American Inc.RAI -0.28%, the No. 2 U.S. tobacco player and maker of Camel cigarettes, launched its Vuse e-cigarette in stores in July.

The early returns? Vuse has built a 55.6% retail market share in the state over the last 16 weeks, leaving blu (25.5%) and NJOY (7.3%) in the dust, Reynolds said at an investor conference Monday, citing tobacco industry tracker Management Science Associates.

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Electronic Cigarettes: New Route to Smoking Addiction for Adolescents [View all] onehandle Nov 2013 OP

Why did you delete this thread about ecigs and start a new one here within minutes? OhioChick Nov 2013 #1

Someone sent me a better story that worked for LBN. nt onehandle Nov 2013 #3

A better link? Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #7

That one was not generating enough outrage... ChromeFoundry Nov 2013 #6

I agree with you. Most of the posts on the former thread were not anti-ecig so we must try again. OregonBlue Nov 2013 #16

And a great way... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #2

Adolescents are barred from buying them frazzled Nov 2013 #4

No they aren't. Laws are being considered in local governments, but there is no federal restriction. onehandle Nov 2013 #10

You can't buy them at Walgreen's or 7/11 without showing ID frazzled Nov 2013 #15

You can't buy them at local tobacco shops in my area without ID azurnoir Nov 2013 #22

Yeah, just what we need, another federal law. We don't have enough of those. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #31

Dang You Revenuers! Git Off Mah Property! onehandle Nov 2013 #32

Yeah, because federal alcohol prohibition and federal drug prohibition worked so well. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #34

So you're promoting state's rights over federal legislation? JimDandy Nov 2013 #33

As someone who has toiled in the fields of drug law reform, yeah. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #35

And it doesn't matter what the laws say. christx30 Nov 2013 #18

Kids are gonna smoke Scairp Nov 2013 #48

If e-cigs are increasing adolescent smoking rates, that's bad. pnwmom Nov 2013 #54

How would vaping increase smoking rates? TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #57

Is that a serious question? Marketing anything can increase use. pnwmom Nov 2013 #58

Vaping isn't smoking because there is no combustion and no smoke. Why would you prefer teens smoke? TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #62

I prefer teens not get addicted to nicotine in whatever delivery system, pnwmom Nov 2013 #64

what you dont understand Tyhanna Nov 2013 #72

Kids were consuming less nicotine. Now, thanks to e-cigs, pnwmom Nov 2013 #78

That's not what the US research says. jayfish Nov 2013 #82

So we should just be hoping that study is right, and not the other one? n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #85

No, I tend To Trust Studies From The Culture In Which I Live. Like This One,,, jayfish Nov 2013 #103

No, and in fact, you're apparently the one for whom 'the research' is too difficult to understand .. brett_jv Nov 2013 #87

with that thinking.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #67

OF COURSE those sweet alcohol drinks are marketed to young people. pnwmom Nov 2013 #71

They are for adults not children... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #74

They are directly targeting young people. pnwmom Nov 2013 #76

Ah, now I see the issue(s) ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #91

What I have noticed is that nicotine addicts are extremely adept pnwmom Nov 2013 #109

Really ?? Tyhanna Nov 2013 #114

You're working with outdated information. Big tobacco is taking over. pnwmom Nov 2013 #115

but thats not all there is.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #116

And you think big tobacco will stay away from any product that might be profitable? pnwmom Nov 2013 #117

again Tyhanna Nov 2013 #119

do you really believe... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #75

Research, as opposed to your personal experience, pnwmom Nov 2013 #77

There Are No Research Results On The Addictive Properties Of Nicotine... jayfish Nov 2013 #80

Nicotine is so highly addictive because of its chemical makeup, pnwmom Nov 2013 #84

Lets just say, okay, it's highly addictive. brett_jv Nov 2013 #88

You Just Helped Prove My Point. jayfish Nov 2013 #90

cigs have freebase nicotine Mosby Nov 2013 #99

read this Tyhanna Nov 2013 #93

Much healthier than candy cigarettes Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #5

Someone said that the e cigarettes are about the nicotine delivery�I thought they had no nicotine.. Tikki Nov 2013 #8

it's an option snooper2 Nov 2013 #11

Wouldn't nicotine gum be less intrusive around others than e-cigarettes? Tikki Nov 2013 #25

you don't hang e-cigs off your lip LOL, you take a puff, stick it back in your pocket snooper2 Nov 2013 #28

Well, I know you don't inhale..I've been schooled on that�so you puff like with a dandelion.. Tikki Nov 2013 #44

Nicotine gum doesnt work. N/T beevul Nov 2013 #60

Worked for me when I was quitting smoking. You're wrong again. nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #65

Only for about no more than 20-30% of the population does it work. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #68

Can we all safely assume that youd call a seat belt that works 20-30 percent of the time... beevul Nov 2013 #123

Saying "nicotine gum does not work" is an absolute statement. I provided an exception, proving Electric Monk Nov 2013 #124

Fine. I'm 70-80 percent right. beevul Nov 2013 #125

I never said it worked everytime. I said it worked for me. You continue to fail. nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #126

interesting .. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #131

I still have some gum, and haven't used it in over a year, and I'm fine. Occasional cravings pass.nt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #132

not possible Tyhanna Nov 2013 #133

i prefer to think of it as a money delivery system for the tobacco companies. unblock Nov 2013 #17

it's actually the opposite fbc Nov 2013 #45

where does the nicotine come from? unblock Nov 2013 #52

Laboratory nicotine is made from tomato or eggplant plants. politicat Nov 2013 #59

well......... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #69

Mostly China fbc Nov 2013 #122

hum addiction is a funny thing... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #63

They come in different forms. Amimnoch Nov 2013 #20

There are cigarette smokers like that, too. Tikki Nov 2013 #27

I don't think I could do that. Amimnoch Nov 2013 #41

E-cigs are a much healthier alternative for tobacco smokers. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #30

I don't understand vaporing e cigarettes�why not feed a nicotine habit with gum or a lozenge? Tikki Nov 2013 #39

Because it is more than nicotine addiction; it is a set of behaviors. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #40

Exactly! I found the gum and patches useless. Amimnoch Nov 2013 #42

That I understand..when I quit smoking 11 years ago�I put on weight right away�then I started losing Tikki Nov 2013 #107

Why Not Feed A Caffeine Habit With NoDoze Or 5-hour Energy Instead of Coffee. -NT- jayfish Nov 2013 #106

Korea has a serious underage smoking problem! Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #9

Most likely started on regular cigarettes and switched to ecigs since they are much, much cheaper. OregonBlue Nov 2013 #12

or they smoked cigs and started e-cigs d_r Nov 2013 #14

But that would undermine the OP Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #19

oh, got it d_r Nov 2013 #23

I believe all states have regulations regarding the sale of ecigs to minors that are identical to OregonBlue Nov 2013 #13

Only nine states. onehandle Nov 2013 #21

I did not know that. Since most ejuice contains nicotine, it should be regulated. Minors should not OregonBlue Nov 2013 #38

Not LBN dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #24

She'll have to start a 3rd anti e-cig thread Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #26

Yeah, keep ignoring the harvard study to bang that drum. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #29

What if it's an Apple iCig? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #36

Good one! OrwellwasRight Nov 2013 #110

Wild West Marketing and the FDA PATRICK Nov 2013 #37

Fascinating. Demit Nov 2013 #49

A lot of kids are using e cigarettes these days obama2terms Nov 2013 #43

Bet any amount of money they started smoking before they started vaping ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #51

I think these are better than cigarettes too obama2terms Nov 2013 #55

Do They Test The E-liquid For Nicotine Content? jayfish Nov 2013 #73

Because you can't smell them jberryhill Nov 2013 #79

Yeah obama2terms Nov 2013 #118

What if I want to vape my medical marijuana? Or my legal marijuana in Colorado? Xithras Nov 2013 #46

Then explain the CDC report? frustrated_lefty Nov 2013 #47

this will help explain Tyhanna Nov 2013 #70

What a bunch of bullcrap hype ... the article, and some of the responses here too, sadly ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #50

Lil quibble, my supplier says the nicotine is extracted from eggplant and tomato leaves TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #56

I've read an article that strongly suggests (i.e. unequivocally) that such suppliers ... are lying. brett_jv Nov 2013 #83

The article is running on a faulty assumption since the fruit isn't what is used but the leaves and TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #134

I tend to believe.. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #135

Pedal cars Politicalboi Nov 2013 #53

I'll Tell You What. jayfish Nov 2013 #61

+100000000 brett_jv Nov 2013 #92

ANTZ abound.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #66

baloney elehhhhna Nov 2013 #81

Then again, getting hooked on candy flavored nicotine Warpy Nov 2013 #86

Carbon monoxide will screw up their system, bitchkitty Nov 2013 #94

nicotine doesn't.... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #96

Actually, it does, thanks to its dramatic effect on smooth muscle Warpy Nov 2013 #98

Does this pharmacology distinguish between nicotine from combusted... jayfish Nov 2013 #101

I see. You'd rather insult people than look it up. Warpy Nov 2013 #108

"Check out the pharmacology instead of folk "wisdom" some day." jayfish Nov 2013 #112

its not the nicotine that does that its the other chemicals in cigarettes Tyhanna Nov 2013 #113

Do you honestly think medical science has missed studying pure nicotine? Warpy Nov 2013 #120

By Golly, I Found Some. And The Results Don't Look Good For The ANTZ jayfish Nov 2013 #121

Not even sure it's proven that nicotine alone will do those things ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #97

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #89

There is plenty of research out there right now n/t Tyhanna Nov 2013 #95

I'd never say 'no' to 'more research' being produced ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #100

CDC Withholding/Twisting Facts: Vaping is increasing, but Smoking is DECREASING in Youth ... brett_jv Nov 2013 #102

More: E-Cigarettes May Not Be Gateway to Smoking: Study jayfish Nov 2013 #104

Society is under NO moral imperative to protect members from benign substances ... Trajan Nov 2013 #105

This demonizing of cigarette alternatives OrwellwasRight Nov 2013 #111

Nicotine will always be about greed and exploitation. Nika Nov 2013 #127

Another Ignorant Comment From Someone Who Has No Idea of What They Are Talking About -NT- jayfish Nov 2013 #128

No successful, cheap and easy drug delivery system has ever been overlooked Nika Nov 2013 #129

No, You Don't Know What You Are Talking About and Further More,... jayfish Nov 2013 #130

hum how about.. Tyhanna Nov 2013 #136

I know what I am talking about. Nika Nov 2013 #137

So... Tyhanna Nov 2013 #138

Your logic/thinking here is flawed, in nearly every conceivable way ... IMHO ... brett_jv Dec 2013 #139