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Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
50. Shoot first laws are inherently harmful
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 12:57 PM
Nov 2013

The idea that shoot first laws didn't play a role in Zimmerman's acquittal is a right wing talking point that has been debunked over and over and over. Here's just one reason why. These were the jury instructions given by the judge:

If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.


The reality is that the shoot first law protected Zimmerman in countless ways in every step of the process. It prevented the police from arresting him initially. It affected the DA's decision not to pursue a GJ indictment until the public outcry was overwhelming. It made the prosecution's case untenable, and ultimately it prevented Zimmerman from going to prison where he belongs. It's not as if Zimmerman is the only gun happy shitbag out there shooting people for no good reason, either. Shoot first laws are harmful, damn harmful even. The chances that Z will kill again are better than even. He is a living testament to the law of the instrument and nobody could take his guns away after the trial. With any luck his latest fuckup with accomplish that, but I'm not really optimistic.

The idea that police are arresting good guys with guns and DA's are trying to prosecute them is no better. Why on earth would these people do this if the end game is failure? Trying to poke holes in the duty to retreat with no demonstrable evidence of actual adverse impact is banal. Laws aren't perfect, that's why countless other protections are in place. Inventing solutions that had no problem with predictable negative consequences is idiocy.
I'm sorry, "No charges have been filed?" Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #1
I know. d_r Nov 2013 #2
I hope DWinNJ Nov 2013 #4
There's a bit more too it than that Major Nikon Nov 2013 #7
Can you drop that "only requires belief" meme? ALL SD laws "only require belief", even DTR ones. sir pball Nov 2013 #30
Not much different than any of the other demonstratably stupid shoot first laws Major Nikon Nov 2013 #35
Which law, GA or NY? Also, and this is a major separate discussion, Zimmy had nothing to do with SYG sir pball Nov 2013 #40
You didn't answer my question Major Nikon Nov 2013 #42
I did, but not separately and succintly. sir pball Nov 2013 #44
Shoot first laws are inherently harmful Major Nikon Nov 2013 #50
Sounds to me no "entry made/attempted," the gun fancier walked outside to "confront" sick man. Hoyt Nov 2013 #36
Happy Thanksgiving from the SYG gun nuts jpak Nov 2013 #3
He was standing his ground against an old, weak and mentally ill man wyldwolf Nov 2013 #5
Sometimes justhanginon Nov 2013 #6
I hear you. Mnemosyne Nov 2013 #21
agree completely niyad Nov 2013 #26
Gun owners have more rights than Normal people, so no big deal. onehandle Nov 2013 #8
Another killer for the humpers to praise. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2013 #9
What the fuck are we doing? mahannah Nov 2013 #10
Kowtowing to gun fanciers. Hoyt Nov 2013 #29
kowtowing to paranoid agressive gun owners DBoon Nov 2013 #43
This is just horrible. yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #11
He went outside to confront the victim while his "fiancee" was on the phone with 911? Why wasn't ... marble falls Nov 2013 #12
why didn't he wait for the police, why did he feel important to go out and confront? lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #24
"when seconds count, the police are there in minutes" DBoon Nov 2013 #45
Because he was at his fiancee's place. 4lbs Nov 2013 #53
I won't be judge and jury without a full body of evidence, but RVN VET Nov 2013 #13
It's hard to come up with any situations that would justify the shooting of this man penultimate Nov 2013 #17
It could be Major Nikon Nov 2013 #18
Ugh. What a coward. penultimate Nov 2013 #14
He was 'safe' behind a closed door, and 911 was called... radhika Nov 2013 #15
These A-holes always get away... fbc Nov 2013 #20
in addition, it wasn't just one shot but three shots the jerk did. Something is very wrong with lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #28
I'd guess the reason no charges have been filed ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2013 #16
the joh wayne syntrome rides again allan01 Nov 2013 #19
if I am reading the article correctly, this gunnut fired four shots--one of which struck the victim. niyad Nov 2013 #22
Walker County, Ga - whatayabet killer is a gun fancier with a few AR15s, along with his 40 caliber? Hoyt Nov 2013 #23
Some days I wish I ... progressoid Nov 2013 #25
No charges? Only in America, land of gungeoneers. nt valerief Nov 2013 #27
They'll probably make him grand marshall at the Turkey Day parade. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #31
No charges are being filed? Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #32
This shit is just stupid & uncalled for. giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #33
For Wayne Lapierre Turbineguy Nov 2013 #34
More shooters' world. Ignorant fucks. lonestarnot Nov 2013 #37
Headline: "Sheriff: Homeowner shoots prowler to death" Divernan Nov 2013 #38
a link to an article with more info Kaleva Nov 2013 #39
What Is This erpowers Nov 2013 #41
Is Georgia another SYG state? The Republicans are pushing that law in Ohio now. I am doc03 Nov 2013 #46
No gun control and legalized killing; what could possibly go wrong? mountain grammy Nov 2013 #47
My husband has Alzheimer's and this terrifies me. Rozlee Nov 2013 #48
Another gun nut got to do what they always wanted to do. Dash87 Nov 2013 #49
No Charges Filed AGAIN otohara Nov 2013 #51
Why take a chance and call the cops? The cops might shoot someone. L0oniX Nov 2013 #52
WTF is wrong with people??? paranoia is epidemic.. BREMPRO Nov 2013 #54
Another gun toting coward tabasco Nov 2013 #55
Gun-fuckers. Iggo Nov 2013 #56
Up until this past year or two, I was OK with the 2nd amendment. Now...I'm wishing for a BlueJazz Nov 2013 #57
Happy Holiday's gun humpers! Ed Suspicious Nov 2013 #58
Moral of this story....... Never knock or visit anybody UCmeNdc Nov 2013 #59
Locking, local story Lasher Nov 2013 #60
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