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MyNameGoesHere

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94. Oh good grief

Fri Nov 29, 2013, 09:33 PM

Nov 2013

Let me splain something to you my war hawk friend.

Ways to avoid war.

Country has a dispute does something provocative like announcing a illegal ADIZ.

Here are PROPER responses.

1 Immediately impose a 100% tarriff on flights from China to US and Japanese territories. Hell get Korea and the Philippines on board.
2 Impose restrictions on any vessel from China carrying goods through the disputed area. Do not accept them into ports of countries that are opposed to it.
3 Anything other than provocation.
4 probably more, I just have a hard time dealing with responses as to why not start a conflict other than FUCKING PEOPLE DIE.

Things not to do

Send strategic bombers(unarmed) and Strike fighters(possibly armed) and spy planes into the area.

Do you get it my war hawk friend?

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China scrambles jets after US, Japan enter air zone [View all] jakeXT Nov 2013 OP

"So, you are surprised I speak your language, eh?" nt bemildred Nov 2013 #1

It's mine. No, it's mine. I said it's mine. No, I said it's mine. Wait, it's mine. Berlum Nov 2013 #2

That's an excellent idea LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #3

"Can't we all just get along?" - Rodney K. Berlum Nov 2013 #5

+++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #51

Bingo. What it's really about. nt okaawhatever Dec 2013 #138

Good idea.... paleotn Nov 2013 #19

What the fuck? Why is it any of our business? Scuba Nov 2013 #40

Because of our defense pact with Japan. n/t cheapdate Nov 2013 #44

And why is it Japan's business? Scuba Nov 2013 #45

Why are Japanese islands Japan's business? EX500rider Nov 2013 #47

Exactly. Some people are so intent on blaming the US and our allies for things they'll say anything stevenleser Nov 2013 #49

Ah, Mr. Leser, Democratic Strategist. Explains so much. Scuba Nov 2013 #63

No, it doesnt explain anything other than you have nothing besides ad-hominem attacks. stevenleser Nov 2013 #69

Playing the "Blame America First!!!!!" card, no less. JoeyT Nov 2013 #88

Yeah, I hate America so much I spent six years serving in our military. Scuba Nov 2013 #99

Yeah, you love the US and the military like Snowden loves the NSA that he served in. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #104

+100 nt okaawhatever Dec 2013 #139

Because blaming the US for the Chinese attempting to seize Japanese islands makes so much sense stevenleser Nov 2013 #103

+1000 Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #106

I will give you the "strategist" reference MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #97

That's basic world history. Not terribly political, except perhaps that these MADem Nov 2013 #102

Sounds like China has an older claim (14th century) than Japan (1895). Scuba Nov 2013 #61

"Claims to have discovered" in the 14th century.... EX500rider Nov 2013 #64

They're still grasping at straws for ways to blame the US and/or our allies. stevenleser Nov 2013 #71

China also claiming islands of Philippines and Vietnam FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #152

Geography? stevenleser Nov 2013 #48

someone sooner or later heaven05 Nov 2013 #4

Last time this did not end well with our crew forced to land on Hainan island Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #6

it could have ended worse, the crew landed on Hainan and survived. olddad56 Nov 2013 #32

I had never heard about this incident. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #100

I've always said China will start WW3 jessie04 Nov 2013 #7

The PRC carla Nov 2013 #23

You're wrong Lurks Often Nov 2013 #24

which pales in comparison to the wars and illegal invasions that we have started. olddad56 Nov 2013 #33

You mean like Vietnam? Lurks Often Nov 2013 #39

Yep, both sides of American politics are in love with waging war. Scuba Nov 2013 #41

Like Iraq and Afghanistan? olddad56 Nov 2013 #113

The difference is I won't be a hypocrite, Lurks Often Nov 2013 #116

If we can fool the Chinese HoosierCowboy Nov 2013 #8

US retaliates and orders the national guard to block people from Walmart. L0oniX Nov 2013 #9

Ha! That would probably hurt the PRC paleotn Nov 2013 #20

we need those seagulls tfrom ce age(i think) mine , mi ne, mine, mine ,mine ,mine leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #10

Finding Nemo PeoViejo Nov 2013 #25

that's it thanks i knew ice age wasnt correct leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #26

My pleasure. PeoViejo Nov 2013 #28

Do we still have a CIC? MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #11

Yep. They've been doing provocations like this to thwart peace for a long time. bemildred Nov 2013 #12

"Yep. They've been doing provocations like this to thwart peace for a long time." EX500rider Nov 2013 #58

We do it. We do it a lot. bemildred Nov 2013 #70

We're only tangentially involved. This is about Japan and China. I know some folks can't resist stevenleser Nov 2013 #74

Oh right, now we're only "tangentially involved", not "bound by treaties". bemildred Nov 2013 #75

I mentioned the treaty in the message text of my comment. We're not a party to the dispute stevenleser Nov 2013 #76

"It's not about us or our foreign policy." bemildred Nov 2013 #77

I think you need to listen to yourself. I know you want to make this about us. It's not. stevenleser Nov 2013 #78

That's it, put words in my mouth, then laugh at them. Brilliant repartee. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #79

That is your position in a nutshell. I know, its embarrassing to have it laid out like that. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #108

Yes, I've seen your ability to read the minds of people you don't agree with before. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #111

I understand wanting to run away from your position once it is laid out. Blaming me won't help. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #112

I'm not blaming you, I'm saying you are projecting like mad. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #114

I'm not the one projecting US fault for a confrontation between China and Japan. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #122

You seem to be obsessed with the idea, and assume everyone else must be too? bemildred Dec 2013 #135

It's about a legal agreement between US and Japan that was the result of Foreign Policy circa WWII. okaawhatever Dec 2013 #140

Would you agree it's about us? bemildred Dec 2013 #142

All it's about is China trying to steal land from Japan n/t EX500rider Dec 2013 #143

Right, it's really nothing to do with us. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #146

That seems to be what is in dispute, isn't it? nt bemildred Dec 2013 #147

Of course I blame the US MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #82

"Reckless"? Last Friday the US, Japan, and every other nation on earth could TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #87

"We do it. We do it a lot.' EX500rider Nov 2013 #83

Straw man: "We intimidate and or attack our neighbors into giving up their territory?" bemildred Nov 2013 #86

Xinjiang pangaia Nov 2013 #126

Those rocks mean economic control of a huge swath of the South China Sea hack89 Nov 2013 #13

Yes MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #14

We are bound by treaty to help defend both Japan and S. Korea. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #15

Exactly! nt paleotn Nov 2013 #21

We have mutual defense treaties with both S. Korea and Japan, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #16

Yes MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #36

Maybe you're not, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #89

Are you prepared for nuclear armed Japan and South Korea? hack89 Nov 2013 #17

Japan has hundreds of Tons of Plutonium PeoViejo Nov 2013 #27

Oh my the Iran MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #35

You might think the world needs another nuclear arms race hack89 Nov 2013 #38

Your MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #46

I rarely agree with that person but they are right here. Japan would go nuclear if they felt it stevenleser Nov 2013 #53

Japan and South Korea do not have nukes for only one reason hack89 Nov 2013 #54

"Your comments are extremely bizarre." EX500rider Nov 2013 #55

We are not escalating anything, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #90

No, that is not "the Iran argument" nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #72

Our economic interests in the region paleotn Nov 2013 #22

With all of our computers and crap being produced in China, they've got us by the short hairs and grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #29

So? MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #34

"Let them have what they want"... EX500rider Nov 2013 #57

What do we win? MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #81

What do we win by making a war less likely? EX500rider Nov 2013 #84

You don't stop a war by sending more MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #85

Yes you can.. EX500rider Nov 2013 #91

Oh good grief MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #94

The Obama Administration disagrees with you, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #95

The Obama admin disagrees with me? MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #96

Huh? Work for them? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #105

No you and people like you MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #107

Civilian airlines, not military. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #109

yes I do blame the usa MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #123

Oh course you blame the US for all the world's ill's. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #124

damn right MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #127

Prove you wrong? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #128

That's fine MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #129

Right....I want the US to help Japan.. EX500rider Nov 2013 #120

Then let WalMart and Exxon fight for their interests if they want. Scuba Nov 2013 #42

How well would we be able to wage a war in the East Pacific if we did not amandabeech Nov 2013 #65

"China would use its diesel boats to take down those big, fat, slow container ships" EX500rider Nov 2013 #117

Actually, I think that this is about the East China Sea, amandabeech Nov 2013 #62

You are right. Nt hack89 Nov 2013 #68

What an absurd construct. Everyone in leadership in the military at this point in time, MADem Nov 2013 #52

Then there is the oil and gas reputedly lying under the water amandabeech Nov 2013 #66

That is what the Chinese are after. They need more oil and gas for their economic expansion stevenleser Nov 2013 #73

Or, the Chinese could offer the highest prices for oil and gas produced in amandabeech Nov 2013 #80

They need to learn Spanish and start riding Maduro like a broke-down mule. MADem Nov 2013 #101

True, although I have to say I haven't heard of too many countries nationalizing Chinese assets stevenleser Nov 2013 #110

Yes, indeed. MADem Nov 2013 #115

Nice fantasy post. Betting on weird hypotheticals, are we? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #118

Drifting? Fantasy? You need to read the paper more. Your fantasies are the world's realities. MADem Nov 2013 #121

FFS! bitchkitty Dec 2013 #131

I beg your pardon? I'm not the one with the bizarre sig line supporting MADem Dec 2013 #132

You should change your handle bitchkitty Dec 2013 #134

Well, I'm not a supporter of that idiot, so that wouldn't make sense. MADem Dec 2013 #145

that will become a chicken game. Sand Wind Nov 2013 #18

We owe them money... They make all our stuff... Who's got the upper hand? grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #30

I don't think that it will come to the point where some will have to play the economic card. Sand Wind Nov 2013 #43

We do. We can get stuff other places and we could theoretically cancel the debt. Countries stevenleser Nov 2013 #50

We do. Their economy will collapse if we refuse to pay. Kaleva Nov 2013 #92

We do. We pay our bills, we service our debt. MADem Dec 2013 #133

Can we still build our war toys without their computers, smart phones, etc? grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #137

Wow, going a bit far afield there. MADem Dec 2013 #144

Hope you're right: Some U.S. "military parts imported from China" grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #149

Just because a supplier gets away with providing a substandard part, doesn't mean that this MUST BE. MADem Dec 2013 #151

Walmart doesn't want to piss off China. Maybe Walmart could send all the weapons from their Lint Head Nov 2013 #31

Compare the size of China to Japan. This is insanity. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2013 #37

They see themselves as the future (if not now) #1 superpower. This is an indication of how they stevenleser Nov 2013 #56

Exactly...as much as everyone thinks we are the evil empire... EX500rider Nov 2013 #60

It was reported after the recent Chinese leadership meeting, amandabeech Nov 2013 #67

Smart move for them.. EX500rider Nov 2013 #93

They were being tested Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2013 #59

This issue is the rallying cry for the right wing nationalists in all of these countries kristopher Nov 2013 #98

...including this one. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #119

No, it hasn't. Not yet at least. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #125

I've said it before...China will start WW3. jessie04 Dec 2013 #130

They don't need no stinking war nolabels Dec 2013 #141

WW3 is over. It was fought with debt, financing and means of production... and China won harun Dec 2013 #148

Classic 'Art of war' teaching: grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #150

I'm blaming China squarely for this fujiyama Dec 2013 #136

Fuck China warrprayer Dec 2013 #153