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Igel

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30. Anti-GMO folk have a few different rationales.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:49 PM
Nov 2013

Some small farmers want to protect their crops and lands. Think "small business trying to stop the competition." This can be billed as a David-and-Goliath kind of struggle if you like, but the GMOs don't make the neighbors' farms any bigger or smaller. There's the risk of contamination, but those heritage farmers' fields are next to fields growing various hybrids anyway, so "heritage farmers'" stock gradually shifts. But since they're sort of all-natural and anti-GMO branded, some genetic shifts are far worse than others.

Some are people who just plain fear science and change. They don't like microwaves, they don't trust cell-phones, they hate plastics and really, really are terrified of ornamental kale. They're really into fear and what they don't understand. Since they don't understand large portions of life, they have no fear of a hell in the afterlife because it just can't get worse.

Another group worship at the altar of the Precautionary Principle. If it's not proven safe, it's dangerous. Note: Salt has not been proven safe. For grandfathered-in substances, traditional ones, they're tolerant. For innovations it must be proven not just safe beyond a reasonable doubt, but safe beyond all doubt. They like strict standards for approval, so most things that are currently in use would fail the test. When something they don't like passes all the tests, they doubt the methodology of the tests and call for research to improve the stringency of the tests.

Some anti-GMO folk are just anti-corporatist or anti-large-company. They're not opposed to people having large amounts of power; it's a trust issue, they want people like themselves (and only like themselves) to have power. These are the ones that have the strongest urge to appeal to authority.

Politicians can be in any group. Often they're in the fourth group--they have power and like to wield it. If they one out of things to control, then all the power's with the bureaucrats because all the "good" laws are written. They play off the economic fears or desire for empowerment of the first, the incompetence of the second, find the precautionary principle to be fertile grounds for breeding and developing new laws and entire new genera of laws, and delight when they are the people that others find to be like "themselves" and want to give power to.

It's had a hard go in America, where we tended to be individualistic, had a traditionally large group that looked to science and engineering for progress and found the precautionary principle to be a hindrance to a lot of things, and esp. dislike giving away too much of what they (apparently foolishly) deemed their own power to others.

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I remember asking my microbiology instructor if GMO crops are dangerous to humans darkangel218 Nov 2013 #1
Or a far simpler explanation. Archae Nov 2013 #2
DO YOU LIKE ROUNDUP READY GMO'S SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2013 #10
I think everything should be labeled with how its made and where its from and whats in it. 7962 Nov 2013 #24
I assume that I already eat it Peregrine Dec 2013 #51
FYI. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #4
Yes, the very notion that there could be a "scientific consensus" that GMOs bemildred Nov 2013 #15
Many studies of biotech food suggest problems more widespread than the role of glycophosphate. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #21
We are meddling with stuff we still understand quite poorly in biology. bemildred Nov 2013 #23
If That's what she really said, she shouldn't be teaching microbiology PaulaFarrell Nov 2013 #13
She was reffering to geneticaly modified crops darkangel218 Nov 2013 #14
Right, and that is not the question that needs to be addressed, bemildred Nov 2013 #17
If the combination of mutation plant DNA with our DNA is not the cause of concern, than what it is? darkangel218 Nov 2013 #31
It's not just about cancer either. bemildred Nov 2013 #32
I see. Thanks for the info. darkangel218 Nov 2013 #34
My pleasure. bemildred Nov 2013 #35
I agree 100%. darkangel218 Nov 2013 #39
Indeed. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #16
Anti-GMO folk have a few different rationales. Igel Nov 2013 #30
I just love it when.... BronxBoy Dec 2013 #61
All creatures of biology use the easiest and quickest routes to acquire building blocks for growth nolabels Dec 2013 #56
GM WATCH Press Release: Journal retraction of Séralini study is illicit, unscientific, and unethical proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #3
Those rats... CSStrowbridge Nov 2013 #5
Don't miss this documenting the tremendous support garnered by the study among many scientists. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #7
Well, flawed methodology is generally not "woo." Deep13 Nov 2013 #6
Could it be bad for us? Sure but we eat alot of foods that are toxic. cstanleytech Nov 2013 #8
Watch out for the strawman SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2013 #9
Study: Monsanto's Roundup Herbicide Linked to Cancer, Autism, Parkinson's CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #11
YES! the stories of miracle GMO's just hide the damage done by roundup SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2013 #12
"In combination with" BadgerKid Nov 2013 #19
It says there are synergistic effects, things don't in general have single causes. bemildred Nov 2013 #20
^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #37
Hopefully they can explore no till farming. Many farrmers are seeing KurtNYC Nov 2013 #22
There is a significant effort being undertaken. BronxBoy Dec 2013 #63
Finally. Can't believe it was published to start with. Junk 'science' at it worst idwiyo Nov 2013 #18
Monsanto got to them arikara Nov 2013 #25
Right. Sure. "It's a conspiracy! They got to them!" Yibble yibble yibble... Archae Nov 2013 #26
Recommend for the Replies on thread with other studies and discussion. KoKo Nov 2013 #27
Shrug. I just skip corn, and any foods that have corn products in them. djean111 Nov 2013 #28
Shrugging ain't enough, as GMOs are in at least 8 classes of food and now the "creators" of GMO fish drynberg Nov 2013 #29
I am shrugging at the attempt to make light of doubts and fears about GMOs. djean111 Nov 2013 #42
the faithful woo believers will continue to cite it forever, though.... mike_c Nov 2013 #33
MUST READ. Bottom, retraction letter; top, gmwatch press release (irrefutably measured/reasonable). proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #36
LOL.... mike_c Nov 2013 #38
To be honest I am more interested in what the science says but hey if it floats your boat cstanleytech Nov 2013 #40
Projecting much? Or maybe you forgot the sarcasm smilie. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #41
There is a glaring conflict of interest ronnie624 Dec 2013 #49
Oh its always good to question something like that dont get me wrong cstanleytech Dec 2013 #54
CT group is that way -----> idwiyo Dec 2013 #46
Transparency is bad? If that's what you really think, it's s a glaring blindspot in judgement. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #47
As I said, CT group is that way -----> idwiyo Dec 2013 #48
Your skill at employing the "CT" meme needs lots of honing. n/t ronnie624 Dec 2013 #50
Once again what?! JackRiddler Nov 2013 #43
GM = big fat corporations Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #44
Those with the deepest pockets censor science SpcMnky Nov 2013 #45
The experiment failed to take into account the feng shui of the laboratory. Ian David Dec 2013 #52
Sorry for my ignnorance Phlem Dec 2013 #53
Generic term, used most often for describing quackery. Archae Dec 2013 #55
They're full of SHIT DeSwiss Dec 2013 #57
You really don't get it, do you? OrwellwasRight Dec 2013 #58
Bwaaa ha ha ha - this is So Bogus Berlum Dec 2013 #59
Funny how that shouldn't be considered..: BronxBoy Dec 2013 #62
IOW, you go with BS faith, and ignore evidence. HuckleB Feb 2014 #64
An interesting take on this...... BronxBoy Dec 2013 #60
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