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24. WH communicating indirectly with AIPAC - call it international diplomacy.

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 02:52 PM

Mar 2012

Wouldn't be the first time that there was dual messaging, ambiguity, and signals got confused by the messenger.

On the other hand, if Obama doesn't tell Bibi that a preemptive attack by Israel on Iran would be contrary to US national interests, and will be treated as such, then the Israelis will take that as a go-signal.

If there's an Israeli attack, it's only because the US President okayed it. Whether that authorization is explicit or implicit, it makes no difference as far as Iran is concerned.

Here's an interesting comment by Obama along those lines:

GOLDBERG: Do you see accidental nuclear escalation as an issue?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Absolutely. Look, the fact is, I don't think any of it would be accidental. I think it would be very intentional.

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Obama to Iran and Israel: 'As President of the United States, I Don't Bluff' [View all] MindMover Mar 2012 OP

Just ask Osama iandhr Mar 2012 #1

What you added dipsydoodle Mar 2012 #2

That's not something a good poker player would ever say slackmaster Mar 2012 #3

+1, uncertainty can be an asset. harun Mar 2012 #5

Unless that's part of his bluff Bruce Wayne Mar 2012 #12

So we're back to 7-dimensional chess? slackmaster Mar 2012 #17

Probably contextual politics, with all its own strategies, rather than chess. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #19

WH communicating indirectly with AIPAC - call it international diplomacy. leveymg Mar 2012 #24

Huh? A facade, to use your analogy, is two dimensional Bruce Wayne Mar 2012 #38

Just ask the pirate ship Iliyah Mar 2012 #4

Ask Osama Bin Laden. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #11

If Israel thinks this is gonna fly with the American people (or anyone else)... DCKit Mar 2012 #6

Looking on the bright side.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #8

No, they don't. People who are crude, tough, cruel, and simple-minded do better than average saras Mar 2012 #25

Try being none of those things and a poor improviser.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #28

As long as Uranium is pyrophoric, there's no way he's going to drop a bomb on it. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #7

Hypocrisy Smedley_3 Mar 2012 #9

No, it isn't hypocrisy. Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #22

How is it not? (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2012 #31

Israel isn't a member of the NPT, Iran, however, is. Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #33

Very True!! SkyDaddy7 Mar 2012 #40

Hypocrisy abounds on the part of the U.S. and Israeli governments. ronnie624 Mar 2012 #47

3 diesel electric jakeXT Mar 2012 #29

Israel hasn't threatened to wipe Iran off the map. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2012 #39

The phrase in question: ronnie624 Mar 2012 #46

Oh brother Dreamer Tatum Mar 2012 #67

That is some bogus shit, as the poster above noted. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #54

He said: elleng Mar 2012 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2012 #13

Libya might be a good example, but Iraq isn't because it was assessed that they did have WMD and 24601 Mar 2012 #44

So the US president is threatening an unprovoked attack on another country? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #14

Sorry grumpy, that is not what he said......nice try.... MindMover Mar 2012 #16

Did I misread something? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #23

The problem with reading only the first paragraph is.... MindMover Mar 2012 #26

That's all well and good, but... Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #27

With each statement that you make, you try to justify your last..... MindMover Mar 2012 #30

I'm not the one threatening war on a country that is not attacking us. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #32

A refreshing break from "Bring 'em on" Bruce Wayne Mar 2012 #15

Only a moron would attack Iran. grahamhgreen Mar 2012 #18

Or Iraq... lastlib Mar 2012 #20

I think you're being too kind dipsydoodle Mar 2012 #21

Engage Iran Mr. President and then start packing your bags and rent a U-haul as the economic Purveyor Mar 2012 #34

absolutely.... unkachuck Mar 2012 #43

What does frustrate me though is how we can dictate to other countries Smilo Mar 2012 #35

Israel means a lot more to us than being the bully, as you say..... MindMover Mar 2012 #36

Like what? Smilo Mar 2012 #37

Look who has attacked Israel from the very moment the UN established the nation. former9thward Mar 2012 #41

And who has Iran attacked? Smilo Mar 2012 #45

I take people at their word. former9thward Mar 2012 #48

take people at their word, but dont twist their words flexnor Mar 2012 #50

Are the dozens of statements denying the Holocaust happened misquotes too? former9thward Mar 2012 #52

Israel has over 200 nukes flexnor Mar 2012 #53

Uh, the Iranians aren't Arabs. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #55

Uh, I know. What does that have to do with anything? former9thward Mar 2012 #56

Actually, that's factually incorrect. SylviaD Mar 2012 #60

Spam deleted by NRaleighLiberal (MIR Team) dfgrehe Mar 2012 #42

we have to consider Iran's perspective flexnor Mar 2012 #49

Carter should have arranged secret treatment for the shaw outside the US in 1979 flexnor Mar 2012 #51

He also doesn't call or raise, but he DOES fold PurityOfEssence Mar 2012 #57

Why is the president falling for this crap 4dsc Mar 2012 #58

So you know more then the UN inspectors about Iran's nuke program? EX500rider Mar 2012 #59

None of our business. This is a reapeat of WMD in Iraq, nothing more. An excuse to grahamhgreen Mar 2012 #63

When a signer of the NPT breaks the rules to secretly build a nuke.... EX500rider Mar 2012 #64

And who do you intend to pay for this new war-for-profit? grahamhgreen Mar 2012 #65

"And who do you intend to pay for this new war-for-profit?" EX500rider Mar 2012 #66

He is not "falling for" anything. woo me with science Mar 2012 #61

Well, he sure bluffed about the PUBLIC OPTION (just sayin') grahamhgreen Mar 2012 #62