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71. Yes, I do.

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:33 AM

Dec 2013

I wouldn't be surprised, either, if she stumps and fundraises both for her, and forms a LIZPAC or BETSYPAC or WARRENPAC that is similar to HILLPAC and helps (like HRC did) to fund Dem candidates for Congress.

No one had a gun to her head and forced her to sign that "Run, Hill, Run" letter. She's had NO trouble going her own way when it matters to her. I also think she's not stupid. She doesn't make the perfect the enemy of the good, and she can handle ideological differences if the trajectory is in the right direction. In sum, she's an adult.

And if you notice, it's people with an ax to grind--Faux Snooze, pseudo-even-handed but right wing funded outfits like Politico, and shit - stirrers who like drama who are touting the "Ewww, Warren is gonna run and Hillary better watch OUT!" theme. Warren has NO money, no ground game, no connections at the state levels (and she's not trying to make them, either), never mind the precinct levels, and she was badly bruised (a fact that escapes most people who didn't see the race in MA) in the Senate run--it should have been a cakewalk but she struggled to win and was on the ropes for awhile. It was only after Brown got mean and his jerky aides started doing war whoops and tomahawk chops that she started to surge enough to win.

Also, people have this idea that it's some big VERSUS game -- Hillary VERSUS Elizabeth....because they love a fight (and I won't even go into the sexist "catfight" shit that some of the wingnut media outlets want to shop). Those people are ignoring this, though:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/elizabeth-warren-bill-clinton_n_2077142.html

When someone does a GOTV "solid" for you, you don't forget it--and this was very helpful to EW at the finish. A lot of people up here in Blue MA still have a great love for the Big Dog, and she knows it. When she runs for reelection in 2018--assuming she's not yet the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, appointed by President Hillary Clinton--having not one, but two Presidents on your team is also helpful.

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Elizabeth Warren: �I am not running for president' [View all] OKNancy Dec 2013 OP

Shermanesque pscot Dec 2013 #1

No, that was Obamaesque. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2013 #9

And don't forget . . . Brigid Dec 2013 #203

Sorry, not quite Shermanesque enough to end hope... PoliticAverse Dec 2013 #2

We need her in the Senate. This is the right place for her now pnwmom Dec 2013 #3

and we need more like her in the Senate (and House). A lot more. olddad56 Dec 2013 #7

We need her in the White House. That's where we need her. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #67

I agree Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #108

+1 Fearless Dec 2013 #144

She needs to be in the White House. That is the place she needs to be. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #204

If HRC is the nom, she won't stand for anything that Elizabeth Warren stands for. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #207

Sherminator. JaneyVee Dec 2013 #4

+1 pscot Dec 2013 #15

This is only the eleventh or twelfth time she's made a divisive declaration on this topic. MADem Dec 2013 #5

"divisive declaration" indeed. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2013 #11

Hee hee! MADem Dec 2013 #20

Divisive or decisive? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #12

Ha ha ha!!!! MADem Dec 2013 #16

No, heads will not explode. That is, I think, wishful thinking. djean111 Dec 2013 #17

When I have pointed out the fact that she's made "decisive" (heh heh) comments previously, I've MADem Dec 2013 #21

Anyone who's been onboard for the past 10 years is well aware of this cycle. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #26

Yes--it's a bit tiresome. MADem Dec 2013 #27

MADem, if Hillary blue14u Dec 2013 #47

wave of backlash from whom? arely staircase Dec 2013 #59

Millennials for one. I blue14u Dec 2013 #70

so no evidence of a "wave of backlash" should the democrats nominate one of the most popular women arely staircase Dec 2013 #72

Blacklash-sharp reaction,, blue14u Dec 2013 #87

ok so you trust a sampling of a few data points over surveys with with many many more arely staircase Dec 2013 #94

I live in a reality blue14u Dec 2013 #99

Please stop with the all bolded text...too hard to read! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #101

Hi VanillaRhapsody. I apologize blue14u Dec 2013 #107

There isn't a "wave of backlash." Likely voters are overwhelmingly supporting HRC. MADem Dec 2013 #76

..and Millennials vote but not in near the number that older women vote OKNancy Dec 2013 #83

I suspect a lot of millenials complain, and say they vote "after the fact" but many don't bother. MADem Dec 2013 #91

OKancy, did you start a new thread? blue14u Dec 2013 #95

yes OKNancy Dec 2013 #96

The reason they are complaining blue14u Dec 2013 #89

She isn't running. You're just going to have to "get over it." MADem Dec 2013 #90

Ok, so my 30 plus years blue14u Dec 2013 #92

Not if you think EW is a viable candidate when she's said, a dozen times, NO. MADem Dec 2013 #98

Thanks MADem. I will add all of this, blue14u Dec 2013 #110

What are you talking about? Rosa Parks was never a senator and she didn't run for President. MADem Dec 2013 #115

My point was they TRIED to make change ,and did in their own way! blue14u Dec 2013 #143

Your skills at making an analogy seem to be more at issue than my comprehension ones. MADem Dec 2013 #147

Everything you have posted blue14u Dec 2013 #170

Wow--take a breath. You seem a bit excitable. MADem Dec 2013 #171

No I'm not excitable. You don't excite people to want to communicate with you or vote for who you ar blue14u Dec 2013 #174

If you're not excitable, you could have fooled me. MADem Dec 2013 #175

Best of this part of the article... and still true today.. blue14u Dec 2013 #178

No, not true. That article is a month old. MADem Dec 2013 #182

Your wrong. Like so many blue14u Dec 2013 #187

First, it "you're" not "your" and repeatedly flinging language insults at me isn't having the MADem Dec 2013 #194

Your funny... blue14u Dec 2013 #195

Well, it's "you're"- that's just kind of sad, how proud you are of your grammatical shortcomings. nt MADem Dec 2013 #197

What is sad is that blue14u Dec 2013 #198

How can I say farewell when you WON'T GO AWAY? MADem Dec 2013 #199

Scott Brown was an incumbent and had local media gushing over him. merrily Dec 2013 #117

EW had a TON of buzz and a ton of money. And a shitload of national support. MADem Dec 2013 #119

She beat an incumbent favored by local media by a comfortable margin. merrily Dec 2013 #120

I was in the middle of it. I find it astounding that people think that a candidate who was MADem Dec 2013 #121

As I said, we see it differently and I don't see much point in going back and forth. merrily Dec 2013 #131

Not really. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #105

If? Don't you mean, "When EW publically endorses HRC.?" FSogol Dec 2013 #38

Yes, it will be "when." MADem Dec 2013 #79

Do you think that she will endorse HRC? n/t bitchkitty Dec 2013 #54

I think I remember she did endorse Hillary a while back madokie Dec 2013 #58

I'm not sure anyone has endorse anyone else for 2016 yet NoOneMan Dec 2013 #155

Yes, I do. MADem Dec 2013 #71

You've convinced me. bitchkitty Dec 2013 #75

Obama denied, denied, denied up until he ran NoOneMan Dec 2013 #154

Not like she has done. And she did it again, this morning. MADem Dec 2013 #157

"I am not running for president in four years. I am not running for president in 2008." NoOneMan Dec 2013 #159

"I am not" is not the same as "I will not." MADem Dec 2013 #161

The hype on DU has nothing to do with the media NoOneMan Dec 2013 #162

It has everything to do with the media. The TNR article lit the fuse. MADem Dec 2013 #173

You should start a poll for the Warren 2016 signature people NoOneMan Dec 2013 #177

It's not a question of "gleeful" (but what an odd word choice, there)... MADem Dec 2013 #196

If demand is what drives a healthy economy, perhaps demand will help her change her mind. Scuba Dec 2013 #6

The anti-Hillary folks are running out of time customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #8

Apparently I need to set my calendar back to 2006. jeff47 Dec 2013 #28

Ok, then who customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #35

Yep, definately have to set the calendar back to 2006. jeff47 Dec 2013 #37

Sigh... gcomeau Dec 2013 #55

One thing she's learned customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #65

No stealth Obama that you know about. jeff47 Dec 2013 #84

Whatever stealth candidate there is customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #114

Have you realized yet that your argument keeps falling apart? jeff47 Dec 2013 #122

No other plausible alternative? blue14u Dec 2013 #48

Focusing on 2014 is indeed vitally important customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #66

Bernie Sanders has stated he will enter the race if no one else who is plausible and understands JDPriestly Dec 2013 #69

Why would he need to change parties? The DNC wouldn't give him a dime, nor would MADem Dec 2013 #78

If Bernie is serious customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #109

No we are not yet blue14u Dec 2013 #49

the Third Way sycophants keep pushing the "inevitability" meme. nt antigop Dec 2013 #166

Yes, and they can blue14u Dec 2013 #172

I tend to believe Wall Street would prefer Clinton over Biden, NorthCarolina Dec 2013 #64

Agreed, they would customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #111

I might support Joe Biden, depending on his economic stances. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #68

One thing he does have customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #112

Biden would be OK. Elizabeth Warren would be better. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #116

Perhaps customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #146

He's from the Credit Card State. MADem Dec 2013 #152

I did not know that, but I think he is more sympathetic to working people than Hillary. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #184

Look, ya gotta dance with the one what brung ya. I like Joe Biden, and I understand political MADem Dec 2013 #185

A lot of Americans will share my objections to Hillary. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #191

And a lot will not share your objections. MADem Dec 2013 #193

Eight years later, same bullshit. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #97

So, who's it going to be? customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #113

Absolutely does not matter. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #124

NY and the USA customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #145

Yep Cosmocat Dec 2013 #148

Christie is a tough sell outside the Northeast customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #180

Yeah Cosmocat Dec 2013 #183

Thanks for the lesson in some obvious things. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #149

At this point, the only such person on the horizon customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #181

WHAT? Who the hell was DiBlasio? Good grief, show us what you don't know! MADem Dec 2013 #202

Fire sale on "Warren for President 2016" banners? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #10

It is not speculation so much as hope for a new non-Corporatist president. djean111 Dec 2013 #13

In 2008 we weren't on the precipice of losing the Senate. pnwmom Dec 2013 #18

2016 would bring in a new Senate class dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #31

We could very well lose the Senate in 2014, which means that pnwmom Dec 2013 #33

The point would be to have Elizabeth Warren as President dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #36

^^ This. Every bit of it. n/t winter is coming Dec 2013 #93

He was a Senator, not a congressman. MADem Dec 2013 #186

This is it exactly. Marrah_G Dec 2013 #209

Now that I know she was a RepubliCon during the Reagan years... polichick Dec 2013 #14

And Hillary was not only a Republican, she was a Goldwater Girl. closeupready Dec 2013 #46

there is a big difference though OKNancy Dec 2013 #50

yes, I'll concede that's true. closeupready Dec 2013 #61

Not according to fact check or Hillary's wiki merrily Dec 2013 #130

She didn't change parties when she got to Yale. Beacool Dec 2013 #150

You have a link to her voter registration record? merrily Dec 2013 #192

As DUer Beacool has told people here many times..... Little Star Dec 2013 #51

Fair enough. closeupready Dec 2013 #60

Hey, I heard my name!!! Beacool Dec 2013 #88

Why yes you did hear your name :) Little Star Dec 2013 #100

Close, but not exactly. Please see links at Reply 130. merrily Dec 2013 #132

There exists a small cadre of political soap opera buffs who seem to be looking for a catfight. MADem Dec 2013 #103

imo we've watched her enough. polichick Dec 2013 #56

But she was a kid in high school, not a mature adult with children. MADem Dec 2013 #80

. Little Star Dec 2013 #102

What if we give her absolutely no choice on this matter? JaneyVee Dec 2013 #19

what are you going to do start stalking her house snooper2 Dec 2013 #22

No, post some more blog messages... brooklynite Dec 2013 #24

lol nt arely staircase Dec 2013 #73

The only "we" she needs to answer to, is her constituency. MADem Dec 2013 #23

Who is this "we", kimosabe? Beacool Dec 2013 #43

Are you gonna tackle her in the hallway and force her to do stand-up interviews for the cable MADem Dec 2013 #106

Again, I still think that we need to focus on 2014 and wait until after the midterms before we worry Gothmog Dec 2013 #25

Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #29

Yes, I am with you - TBF Dec 2013 #30

Fine by me Scootaloo Dec 2013 #32

She used present tense, not future dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #34

I'm not sure how she could be more plain. Orsino Dec 2013 #85

Great! President Sanders could use a VP. nt raouldukelives Dec 2013 #39

This won't be enough for some. longship Dec 2013 #40

She's in Teddy's seat and she will become another Lion of the Senate, or "Lioness" in this case. Beacool Dec 2013 #42

Indeed! longship Dec 2013 #44

And I will drink it. Beacool Dec 2013 #45

Oh boy, this is going to go down hard in some quarters. Beacool Dec 2013 #41

well who else is there now? madrchsod Dec 2013 #52

Bernie Sanders? pam4water Dec 2013 #63

I think it best I blue14u Dec 2013 #53

I really like Senator Warren madokie Dec 2013 #57

NnnnnoooooooooOOOOOOo....... pam4water Dec 2013 #62

Guess it's Sanders/warren the:) grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #74

Maybe Hillary was throwing her voice like a ventriloquist? BootinUp Dec 2013 #77

Okay I take her at her word workinclasszero Dec 2013 #81

That's the right attitude! Winning is important. OKNancy Dec 2013 #82

heard that before, will she be held accountable for changing her mind? reddread Dec 2013 #86

Was Obama held accountable for changing his mind? merrily Dec 2013 #118

Obama didn't say it forcefully, over a dozen times. MADem Dec 2013 #123

I dont think you want to count Obama's broken promises reddread Dec 2013 #125

Oh, gee, another gratuitous "Waaaah, Obama sux" comment on a Democratic discussion board... MADem Dec 2013 #126

i love modulation, and modulars, you should hear the sounds im hearing right now reddread Dec 2013 #127

I can't get inside your head and don't really care to so do. MADem Dec 2013 #128

Hate to club you over the head with reality, but heres some breaking info reddread Dec 2013 #135

How charming--violent imagery! Yes, that's the way to convince people! MADem Dec 2013 #136

you really beat around the bush, or miss the mark, which is it? reddread Dec 2013 #137

Hey, I'm not the one that insinuated that the POTUS was a MADem Dec 2013 #138

good for laughs anyway reddread Dec 2013 #140

I'm not laughing--and that's weak sauce you're dishing up. MADem Dec 2013 #142

He did say it a number of times. merrily Dec 2013 #129

Did he PLEDGE to finish out his term? Did he say "Five words--no, no, no, no, no!" and then MADem Dec 2013 #133

He said no often. merrily Dec 2013 #134

Well, we have a little local TV program on WCVB here in the Bay State that no one outside the MADem Dec 2013 #139

"I am not running for president in four years. I am not running for president in 2008." NoOneMan Dec 2013 #156

"I am not" is not a Sherman statement. MADem Dec 2013 #160

Sure. Whatever. NoOneMan Dec 2013 #163

I know who, absent ill health, will be running. nt MADem Dec 2013 #164

No you don't NoOneMan Dec 2013 #165

Yeah, I do--and if you think about it in a pragmatic and non-emotional way, you do, too. MADem Dec 2013 #167

Ok, so HRC is your fantasy pick NoOneMan Dec 2013 #168

Not a "fantasy"--for the reasons I outlined. MADem Dec 2013 #169

we need her in the senate Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #104

No we don't. We need EW in the White House and ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #206

This is one Christmas wish that you will not receive. Beacool Dec 2013 #208

Just an observation to those who say she should/might/will change her mind... brooklynite Dec 2013 #141

That just makes me want her to run more libodem Dec 2013 #151

Good. We don't need her taking votes away from the main candidate. Pterodactyl Dec 2013 #153

Unless she was the main candidate as determined by a primary NoOneMan Dec 2013 #158

Well, technically, you're right. But we all know how it will go down. Pterodactyl Dec 2013 #188

Like 2008? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #189

That was a one time fluke. The establishment will be back in charge this time. Pterodactyl Dec 2013 #190

Would have been nice.... MFM008 Dec 2013 #176

This thread is still going on? Beacool Dec 2013 #179

Oh geez, don't go there ... MADem Dec 2013 #200

Yes, I remember. Beacool Dec 2013 #201

C'mon kids! If you all clap REAL LOUD..... brooklynite Dec 2013 #205

Nothing Warren says or doesn't say, does or does not do - will engender any more enthusiasm djean111 Dec 2013 #210

Good. We need a nice simple primary to get the real candidate in there. Pterodactyl Dec 2013 #211