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111. Disbelief

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 02:24 PM

Dec 2013

Why? Because I pointed out a gigantic flaw in the Obamacare law? The media needs to stop burying these stories. It can't be fixed without looking at the truth of the hardship it's going to cause for the middle class. That's who's getting hid the hardest with this. Wages and salaries of today don't support the costs of insurance. People are barely scraping by without being forced to buy an overpriced private industry product that delivers nothing more than a free physical and pap test every year.

How about we just get rid of the middleman altogether? I'd love to see the insurance companies eliminated.

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More than 1/4 of uninsured rather pay Obamacare fine than get insurance, Gallup finds [View all] Redfairen Dec 2013 OP

Wonder how many of them bpositive Dec 2013 #1

Emergency rooms are not free. Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #12

And if you have no property to lien? What then? Prison? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #30

jail for sure...maybe not if you have a nice judge madrchsod Dec 2013 #37

Like I said, Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #38

"Judgment proof" is a thing. And there's always bankruptcy. nt. Hosnon Dec 2013 #47

Even filing for BK isn't free. Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #49

Didn't say it was. But it's MUCH cheaper than an emergency room visit. Hosnon Dec 2013 #53

You make valid points, Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #58

Yeah, you're right. Hopefully they will see it's a no-brainer. Hosnon Dec 2013 #59

They can sue you, Sgent Dec 2013 #43

I know a man who was put in jail over it wercal Dec 2013 #31

He wasn't jailed for being a debtor. He was likely jailed for contempt of court. nt. Hosnon Dec 2013 #48

No, arrest for debt is a Common Law grounds for an arrest happyslug Dec 2013 #78

Imprisonment for state fines has been unconstitutional since the '80s. And it has been banned by Hosnon Dec 2013 #114

True and one fall can eat up a LOT of money Maeve Dec 2013 #34

Guess thats what they want... SummerSnow Dec 2013 #56

Everytime someone dies after Jan. 1st, they are going to say "Obama has blood on his hands." Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #61

So true. SummerSnow Dec 2013 #63

You are thoroughly misinformed elias7 Dec 2013 #100

My wife is a retired RN and spent five years as a case manager. Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #107

Bankruptcy is mainly due to medical debts, I'll agree elias7 Dec 2013 #109

They mainly sell the debt to collection agencies. Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #110

You are kidding right? The ER treats problems and then refers them to a private doc/hosp ... slipslidingaway Dec 2013 #134

In other news, nearly 3/4 of uninsured will choose to get insurance. arcane1 Dec 2013 #2

Thank you. 2014 is about the 75% non-morons BlueStreak Dec 2013 #127

So 25% of the uninsured boobooday Dec 2013 #3

And after a year, that number will be below 15%, I'll bet. They'll get on the bangwagon. nt valerief Dec 2013 #51

Healthy for how long? SummerSnow Dec 2013 #57

45% of Republicans would rather die than JoePhilly Dec 2013 #4

15% of democrats would rather die as well.... LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #10

They are stupid? JoePhilly Dec 2013 #18

I have a feeling you're right LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #39

Idealogical Stand thefool_wa Dec 2013 #19

Good point LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #40

my neighbor Locrian Dec 2013 #106

Their spouse is republican n/t tom_kelly Dec 2013 #41

The one thing making them talk about politics. LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #42

Libertarians? hedgehog Dec 2013 #116

that could be. I could see that. LionsTigersRedWings Dec 2013 #117

Ha! Me, too! nt valerief Dec 2013 #52

Reid exempt his staff 840high Dec 2013 #76

yet the President enrolled.. chillfactor Dec 2013 #81

The 25%. silverweb Dec 2013 #5

These are the alternate universe core baggers. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #27

Exactly. silverweb Dec 2013 #35

Really? Igel Dec 2013 #45

Or they agreed with Keith Olbermann solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #92

Their guardian angels will protect them. valerief Dec 2013 #54

The GOP is actively working to kill off its own base. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #32

Pure insanity. silverweb Dec 2013 #36

I call them "The Brain-dead 20%" Justitia Dec 2013 #99

About 25% of the people believe climate change is a hoax & Lex Dec 2013 #6

"The rate is higher when asked among uninsured Republicans." Dopers_Greed Dec 2013 #7

Stupid White Wing. I wish their were some way to deny care to those who could afford Hoyt Dec 2013 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Stargazer99 Dec 2013 #9

the way to fix that Stargazer99 Dec 2013 #11

This says it all nobodyspecial Dec 2013 #13

I agree. Talk is cheap but justhanginon Dec 2013 #29

why? jamzrockz Dec 2013 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueJazz Dec 2013 #14

Great. Usually it's 35%. n/t Dawgs Dec 2013 #15

Most people don't know what is what still. Try this poll again next April. nt onehandle Dec 2013 #16

Didn't we already know leftynyc Dec 2013 #17

Yes: Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #20

I LOVE that movie leftynyc Dec 2013 #21

I wonder how may of that 1/4 bothered to check prices. . . n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2013 #22

Thirty million OneCrazyDiamond Dec 2013 #23

Nearly 3/4 of uninsured would rather get insurance than pay Obamacare fine, Gallup finds cyberswede Dec 2013 #24

Well, there's your rank-and-file tea party Jack Rabbit Dec 2013 #25

Very interesting results. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #26

Don't worry. That will change. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #28

True. The fine will increase over time. ... spin Dec 2013 #33

Tell them that as an alternative, they can sign up for the ACA.... Thor_MN Dec 2013 #44

The 28% of crazy teahadists who BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #46

Some Fall into a gap Wolf Frankula Dec 2013 #50

So 15% of Dems and 45% of Republicans ... JoePhilly Dec 2013 #62

Didn't Say All, I said Some Wolf Frankula Dec 2013 #65

So did the ACA make you situation better, worse, JoePhilly Dec 2013 #69

No Change. Wolf Frankula Dec 2013 #119

It's my opinion Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2013 #55

The GOP apparently doesn't know Turbineguy Dec 2013 #60

More support for the idea... JimboBillyBubbaBob Dec 2013 #64

Unaffordabel premiums oldbitty Dec 2013 #66

Compared to individual private plans before the ACA penultimate Dec 2013 #67

Unaffordable oldbitty Dec 2013 #75

What difference does it make about the lack of platinum plans? Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2013 #83

Chronic health issues oldbitty Dec 2013 #88

No plantinum plans??? llmart Dec 2013 #98

I am bashing the ACA oldbitty Dec 2013 #101

Single Payer NOW! burnsei sensei Dec 2013 #125

Agreed oldbitty Dec 2013 #130

What happens if she gets sick and needs medical care? llmart Dec 2013 #68

No cable, no internet, yes cell phone oldbitty Dec 2013 #86

If she gets sick she can sign up at that time. hugo_from_TN Dec 2013 #87

Wow... llmart Dec 2013 #97

not so for everyone KatyMan Dec 2013 #71

My conservative father said I should just pay the fine myself penultimate Dec 2013 #70

rumor: free Dilaudid on Jan1 at the ER if you enroll in ACA quadrature Dec 2013 #72

That's cool by me. The increased taxes will increase revenues. Pterodactyl Dec 2013 #73

I know this goes against the Party Faithful Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #74

No fire from me. 840high Dec 2013 #77

For upper middle class older folks, Obamacare will result in bankruptcy oldbitty Dec 2013 #79

Obamacare.....interesting word choice LovingA2andMI Dec 2013 #96

Suspicion oldbitty Dec 2013 #103

It might be unwarranted but you have aroused my suspicion. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #104

Disbelief oldbitty Dec 2013 #111

I thought Obamacare was an acceptable way of referring to ACA philosslayer Dec 2013 #108

You and me both oldbitty Dec 2013 #112

The LAW IS.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2013 #122

When posting my comments oldbitty Dec 2013 #131

$95 per person or 1 percent of income whichever is greater Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #80

The bottom tier plans are terrible Warpy Dec 2013 #82

I'm just about done with wasting my time on this issue Fumesucker Dec 2013 #84

Every plan below platinum is terrible oldbitty Dec 2013 #90

Right. We knew it was going to take a lot of work to fix it Warpy Dec 2013 #91

Medicaid oldbitty Dec 2013 #94

They're going to have to come up with a quota system for docs Warpy Dec 2013 #95

It might exist oldbitty Dec 2013 #132

i am the one with a daughter KatyMan Dec 2013 #123

Thank you for responding oldbitty Dec 2013 #129

i do not think any doctor visit KatyMan Dec 2013 #133

It all depends on the doctor oldbitty Dec 2013 #135

Polls like these tend to be B.S. taught_me_patience Dec 2013 #85

so what happens if they get really sick? Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #89

The same thing that happens now Tien1985 Dec 2013 #93

single payer system is the answer Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #120

that's the problem with the pre-existing condition stuff alc Dec 2013 #102

Thank you oldbitty Dec 2013 #113

NONE OF THE PEOPLE I KNOW hollowdweller Dec 2013 #105

Do this same poll in a year, and then in two years. HuckleB Dec 2013 #115

My mother is in this camp. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2013 #118

I hear that if you don't sign up, Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #124

lawl Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #126

Stiffen the fine liberal N proud Dec 2013 #128

or even better increase the subsidy jamzrockz Dec 2013 #136