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29. This is very true and has been going on for decades.

Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:14 AM

Dec 2013

Your state senator ignores his party's history here. Typical Illinois Republican.

The truth is, yes these people are owed from these legal contracts that the state has failed to fulfill. There is no question of that.

It is also true that the state is flat broke. Broke, broke, broke. The money just isn't there, and will not be there, ever. We have of the hightest taxes in the country. Every department in the state has had severe budget cuts, education bearing the brunt of it. Schools are being closed, roads aren't getting fixed, and we have less cops. Violent crime is on the rise in Chicago and at CAPs meetings, the officers just dither.

This problem is way beyond blame and party affiliation. This is the end game of rank and systemic corruption that's oozed into every corner of Illinois politics. No one is clean of this.

There is no good solution for anyone. We are just screwed. Pay the unions, and the state has to make further cuts to core services or privatize everything. Not pay the unions their rightful due and expect strikes, work slow downs, and other righful protest that's a kin to service cuts.

Right now in Illinois, everybody loses.

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Illinois governor signs pension overhaul into law [View all] Judi Lynn Dec 2013 OP

Uh huh. More theft I see? I am surprised it has 337 views but no comments. I am not silvershadow Dec 2013 #1

Well, after all, what is there to say? Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #2

oh yes...he`s already to go after the cities unions but.... madrchsod Dec 2013 #11

So I've heard. (nt) Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #12

Theft? gussmith Dec 2013 #4

No theft is more accurate. They are earned benefits, after all. But thanks for silvershadow Dec 2013 #5

More like readjusting promises with reality. CFLDem Dec 2013 #8

The aren't promises, they are contracts. They are earned benefits, already due, already payable. nt silvershadow Dec 2013 #16

Thank you! A Little Weird Dec 2013 #17

Oh, thank you! (And, I'm just having a little fun with a t****. (Well, suspected anyway). silvershadow Dec 2013 #19

A bum could promise a million dollars CFLDem Dec 2013 #24

Wrong. The State of Illinois (as all other 49 states) is the victim of failed trade policies. silvershadow Dec 2013 #25

Hate Radio talking points come to DU Doctor_J Dec 2013 #30

These are NOT patronage positions, these are Civil Service Positions happyslug Dec 2013 #18

It's Illinois. CFLDem Dec 2013 #23

I have heard that of every state in the Union, and at any level, it is FALSE and always has been happyslug Dec 2013 #34

LOL Skittles Dec 2013 #6

Are You F---ing Kidding Me? chuckstevens Dec 2013 #7

most illinois state workers do pay into ss.... beachbum bob Dec 2013 #26

Third Way is GOP-lite. But it does fool enough Democratic voters. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #3

Third Way was originally carla Dec 2013 #31

A great example of how NOT LIBERAL the 'Media' is in this country ... brett_jv Dec 2013 #9

you sound like some of the afscme workers i know.... madrchsod Dec 2013 #14

it will still have to go in front of the illinois supreme court madrchsod Dec 2013 #10

How is it a constitional question exactly? cstanleytech Dec 2013 #15

It is the right to property AND the Ban on States impairing contracts. happyslug Dec 2013 #20

my super republican senator who voted against used this as an argument in his newspaper editorial. madrchsod Dec 2013 #21

People forget about that ban on impairing contracts. happyslug Dec 2013 #22

state pensions covered under state constitution BUT beachbum bob Dec 2013 #27

If the pension is PRIVATE, you are correct, but these are from the State GOVERNMENT. happyslug Dec 2013 #32

illinois constitution has pension protections for state employees beachbum bob Dec 2013 #28

But the real issue is the FEDERAL CONSTITUTION happyslug Dec 2013 #33

my super republican state senator explained to me how it works in springfield madrchsod Dec 2013 #13

This is very true and has been going on for decades. apnu Dec 2013 #29