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happyslug

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34. I have heard that of every state in the Union, and at any level, it is FALSE and always has been
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:32 PM
Dec 2013

Even when the rule in Washington was the spoil system, the positions were positions that needed to be filled. The State has work that has to get done, and someone has to do it. Some of the hardest working people in Government are patronage people, for they want they candidate to get re-elected and thus do they job well so people are happy with them and thus re-elected the person who appointed them.

92% of all jobs are obtains through Friends and Relatives. Yet over 90% of employers say they hire only on merit. How can these two facts both be true? The answer is simple, people tell their friends and relatives of jobs that are open that such Friends and relatives can fill. Thus 92% of all employees find jobs they are qualified to fill by being told by Friends or Relatives of people who are looking for people like them. The employer then use merit hiring to hire the best qualified, and more times then not it is the person some friend or relative had told to apply.

Government works the same way. People here of a position open, and tell people they know that the position is open and how to apply. If a new set of jobs are opened by a Government expansion, the people who know of the expansion tells their friends and relatives, who apply. This is how most government jobs are filled, very similar to how private Enterprise fills jobs (in fact the same way).

I give you a example I know. A supervisor had a position he had to fill, he knew his daughter was qualified for the position and told her to apply. At that point he asked his supervision (hereafter referred to as "Boss&quot to select who the Supervisor should hire do to the fact the Supervisor's daughter was one of the applicants. The Boss agreed to do so, looked over the list of Applicants, interviewed the applicants and decided that the best candidate was the Daughter of the Supervisor (and in that case I agreed with the Boss, the Daughter was the best candidate for the Job, ignoring the fact her supervisor would be her father).

Now during the hiring process, favoritism and nepotism was alleged, but the process followed was an effort to minimize those concerns. In my opinion, if the Supervisor had NOT told his daughter to apply she would NOT have, and someone else would have been selected, but he did and she was hired.

The Daughter was NOT hired for do to her being the supervisor's daughter, but the fact she was in the hiring pool was because she was the Supervisor's Daughter. Similar situating occur all the time in both business and government (they tell people in collage in "Network" i.e. to go to parties, so that you make friends and those friends can then tell you who is hiring). The same with Government, Government is more often then not a network of friends that work together. As such they know each other and will tell each other (even of the opposition party) of a job that person or a friend or relative can do. Thus you get a lot of people related to politicians in Civil Service Position NOT because of favoritism in hiring, but because they know when to apply so that they are the top candidate when it comes to merit selection of jobs.

I am just pointing out everyone makes this accusation, but I have NOT seen any truth to those stories, for most people do NOT want these Civil Service Position EXCEPT people who want to do that type of work (i.e. Political patronage people do not want not get these jobs). These accusations are made by people who dislike government for some reason, and think any government position is one of theft and ignore the good things government provides, such as roads, schools, police protection and the court System.

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Uh huh. More theft I see? I am surprised it has 337 views but no comments. I am not silvershadow Dec 2013 #1
Well, after all, what is there to say? Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #2
oh yes...he`s already to go after the cities unions but.... madrchsod Dec 2013 #11
So I've heard. (nt) Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #12
Theft? gussmith Dec 2013 #4
No theft is more accurate. They are earned benefits, after all. But thanks for silvershadow Dec 2013 #5
More like readjusting promises with reality. CFLDem Dec 2013 #8
The aren't promises, they are contracts. They are earned benefits, already due, already payable. nt silvershadow Dec 2013 #16
Thank you! A Little Weird Dec 2013 #17
Oh, thank you! (And, I'm just having a little fun with a t****. (Well, suspected anyway). silvershadow Dec 2013 #19
A bum could promise a million dollars CFLDem Dec 2013 #24
Wrong. The State of Illinois (as all other 49 states) is the victim of failed trade policies. silvershadow Dec 2013 #25
Hate Radio talking points come to DU Doctor_J Dec 2013 #30
These are NOT patronage positions, these are Civil Service Positions happyslug Dec 2013 #18
It's Illinois. CFLDem Dec 2013 #23
I have heard that of every state in the Union, and at any level, it is FALSE and always has been happyslug Dec 2013 #34
LOL Skittles Dec 2013 #6
Are You F---ing Kidding Me? chuckstevens Dec 2013 #7
most illinois state workers do pay into ss.... beachbum bob Dec 2013 #26
Third Way is GOP-lite. But it does fool enough Democratic voters. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #3
Third Way was originally carla Dec 2013 #31
A great example of how NOT LIBERAL the 'Media' is in this country ... brett_jv Dec 2013 #9
you sound like some of the afscme workers i know.... madrchsod Dec 2013 #14
it will still have to go in front of the illinois supreme court madrchsod Dec 2013 #10
How is it a constitional question exactly? cstanleytech Dec 2013 #15
It is the right to property AND the Ban on States impairing contracts. happyslug Dec 2013 #20
my super republican senator who voted against used this as an argument in his newspaper editorial. madrchsod Dec 2013 #21
People forget about that ban on impairing contracts. happyslug Dec 2013 #22
state pensions covered under state constitution BUT beachbum bob Dec 2013 #27
If the pension is PRIVATE, you are correct, but these are from the State GOVERNMENT. happyslug Dec 2013 #32
illinois constitution has pension protections for state employees beachbum bob Dec 2013 #28
But the real issue is the FEDERAL CONSTITUTION happyslug Dec 2013 #33
my super republican state senator explained to me how it works in springfield madrchsod Dec 2013 #13
This is very true and has been going on for decades. apnu Dec 2013 #29
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