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129. He did say it a number of times.

Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:10 AM

Dec 2013

He went through rounds of interviews after he was elected Senator. During every one of them that I watched, he was asked whether he would be running in 2008 and he said no. Even made remarks like, I don't even know where the cloakroom is yet." Steadfastly refused even to discuss a run the Presidency later than 2008.

As far as "forcefully," I'll leave that subjective assessment to others. He said no again and again, and that is fact.

At the time, I was very disappointed because I did want him to run.

He got elected in 2008 anyway. I never heard anyone in public ask him why he broke his word about not running.

I did see it on message boards, by people who wanted Hillary to be the nominee. Even at that, I did not see it immediately, only after Hillary started slipping behind.

I think any politician worth the name (whatever it's worth) would have little problem explaining a change of mind after a couple of years.

Again, I don't care who runs in 2016 and I take Warren at her word that she will not be running. But, if I see something I disagree with, I am likely to respond.

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Elizabeth Warren: ‘I am not running for president' [View all] OKNancy Dec 2013 OP

Shermanesque pscot Dec 2013 #1

No, that was Obamaesque. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2013 #9

And don't forget . . . Brigid Dec 2013 #203

Sorry, not quite Shermanesque enough to end hope... PoliticAverse Dec 2013 #2

We need her in the Senate. This is the right place for her now pnwmom Dec 2013 #3

and we need more like her in the Senate (and House). A lot more. olddad56 Dec 2013 #7

We need her in the White House. That's where we need her. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #67

I agree Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #108

+1 Fearless Dec 2013 #144

She needs to be in the White House. That is the place she needs to be. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #204

If HRC is the nom, she won't stand for anything that Elizabeth Warren stands for. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #207

Sherminator. JaneyVee Dec 2013 #4

+1 pscot Dec 2013 #15

This is only the eleventh or twelfth time she's made a divisive declaration on this topic. MADem Dec 2013 #5

"divisive declaration" indeed. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2013 #11

Hee hee! MADem Dec 2013 #20

Divisive or decisive? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #12

Ha ha ha!!!! MADem Dec 2013 #16

No, heads will not explode. That is, I think, wishful thinking. djean111 Dec 2013 #17

When I have pointed out the fact that she's made "decisive" (heh heh) comments previously, I've MADem Dec 2013 #21

Anyone who's been onboard for the past 10 years is well aware of this cycle. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #26

Yes--it's a bit tiresome. MADem Dec 2013 #27

MADem, if Hillary blue14u Dec 2013 #47

wave of backlash from whom? arely staircase Dec 2013 #59

Millennials for one. I blue14u Dec 2013 #70

so no evidence of a "wave of backlash" should the democrats nominate one of the most popular women arely staircase Dec 2013 #72

Blacklash-sharp reaction,, blue14u Dec 2013 #87

ok so you trust a sampling of a few data points over surveys with with many many more arely staircase Dec 2013 #94

I live in a reality blue14u Dec 2013 #99

Please stop with the all bolded text...too hard to read! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #101

Hi VanillaRhapsody. I apologize blue14u Dec 2013 #107

There isn't a "wave of backlash." Likely voters are overwhelmingly supporting HRC. MADem Dec 2013 #76

..and Millennials vote but not in near the number that older women vote OKNancy Dec 2013 #83

I suspect a lot of millenials complain, and say they vote "after the fact" but many don't bother. MADem Dec 2013 #91

OKancy, did you start a new thread? blue14u Dec 2013 #95

yes OKNancy Dec 2013 #96

The reason they are complaining blue14u Dec 2013 #89

She isn't running. You're just going to have to "get over it." MADem Dec 2013 #90

Ok, so my 30 plus years blue14u Dec 2013 #92

Not if you think EW is a viable candidate when she's said, a dozen times, NO. MADem Dec 2013 #98

Thanks MADem. I will add all of this, blue14u Dec 2013 #110

What are you talking about? Rosa Parks was never a senator and she didn't run for President. MADem Dec 2013 #115

My point was they TRIED to make change ,and did in their own way! blue14u Dec 2013 #143

Your skills at making an analogy seem to be more at issue than my comprehension ones. MADem Dec 2013 #147

Everything you have posted blue14u Dec 2013 #170

Wow--take a breath. You seem a bit excitable. MADem Dec 2013 #171

No I'm not excitable. You don't excite people to want to communicate with you or vote for who you ar blue14u Dec 2013 #174

If you're not excitable, you could have fooled me. MADem Dec 2013 #175

Best of this part of the article... and still true today.. blue14u Dec 2013 #178

No, not true. That article is a month old. MADem Dec 2013 #182

Your wrong. Like so many blue14u Dec 2013 #187

First, it "you're" not "your" and repeatedly flinging language insults at me isn't having the MADem Dec 2013 #194

Your funny... blue14u Dec 2013 #195

Well, it's "you're"- that's just kind of sad, how proud you are of your grammatical shortcomings. nt MADem Dec 2013 #197

What is sad is that blue14u Dec 2013 #198

How can I say farewell when you WON'T GO AWAY? MADem Dec 2013 #199

Scott Brown was an incumbent and had local media gushing over him. merrily Dec 2013 #117

EW had a TON of buzz and a ton of money. And a shitload of national support. MADem Dec 2013 #119

She beat an incumbent favored by local media by a comfortable margin. merrily Dec 2013 #120

I was in the middle of it. I find it astounding that people think that a candidate who was MADem Dec 2013 #121

As I said, we see it differently and I don't see much point in going back and forth. merrily Dec 2013 #131

Not really. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #105

If? Don't you mean, "When EW publically endorses HRC.?" FSogol Dec 2013 #38

Yes, it will be "when." MADem Dec 2013 #79

Do you think that she will endorse HRC? n/t bitchkitty Dec 2013 #54

I think I remember she did endorse Hillary a while back madokie Dec 2013 #58

I'm not sure anyone has endorse anyone else for 2016 yet NoOneMan Dec 2013 #155

Yes, I do. MADem Dec 2013 #71

You've convinced me. bitchkitty Dec 2013 #75

Obama denied, denied, denied up until he ran NoOneMan Dec 2013 #154

Not like she has done. And she did it again, this morning. MADem Dec 2013 #157

"I am not running for president in four years. I am not running for president in 2008." NoOneMan Dec 2013 #159

"I am not" is not the same as "I will not." MADem Dec 2013 #161

The hype on DU has nothing to do with the media NoOneMan Dec 2013 #162

It has everything to do with the media. The TNR article lit the fuse. MADem Dec 2013 #173

You should start a poll for the Warren 2016 signature people NoOneMan Dec 2013 #177

It's not a question of "gleeful" (but what an odd word choice, there)... MADem Dec 2013 #196

If demand is what drives a healthy economy, perhaps demand will help her change her mind. Scuba Dec 2013 #6

The anti-Hillary folks are running out of time customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #8

Apparently I need to set my calendar back to 2006. jeff47 Dec 2013 #28

Ok, then who customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #35

Yep, definately have to set the calendar back to 2006. jeff47 Dec 2013 #37

Sigh... gcomeau Dec 2013 #55

One thing she's learned customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #65

No stealth Obama that you know about. jeff47 Dec 2013 #84

Whatever stealth candidate there is customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #114

Have you realized yet that your argument keeps falling apart? jeff47 Dec 2013 #122

No other plausible alternative? blue14u Dec 2013 #48

Focusing on 2014 is indeed vitally important customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #66

Bernie Sanders has stated he will enter the race if no one else who is plausible and understands JDPriestly Dec 2013 #69

Why would he need to change parties? The DNC wouldn't give him a dime, nor would MADem Dec 2013 #78

If Bernie is serious customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #109

No we are not yet blue14u Dec 2013 #49

the Third Way sycophants keep pushing the "inevitability" meme. nt antigop Dec 2013 #166

Yes, and they can blue14u Dec 2013 #172

I tend to believe Wall Street would prefer Clinton over Biden, NorthCarolina Dec 2013 #64

Agreed, they would customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #111

I might support Joe Biden, depending on his economic stances. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #68

One thing he does have customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #112

Biden would be OK. Elizabeth Warren would be better. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #116

Perhaps customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #146

He's from the Credit Card State. MADem Dec 2013 #152

I did not know that, but I think he is more sympathetic to working people than Hillary. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #184

Look, ya gotta dance with the one what brung ya. I like Joe Biden, and I understand political MADem Dec 2013 #185

A lot of Americans will share my objections to Hillary. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #191

And a lot will not share your objections. MADem Dec 2013 #193

Eight years later, same bullshit. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #97

So, who's it going to be? customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #113

Absolutely does not matter. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #124

NY and the USA customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #145

Yep Cosmocat Dec 2013 #148

Christie is a tough sell outside the Northeast customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #180

Yeah Cosmocat Dec 2013 #183

Thanks for the lesson in some obvious things. JackRiddler Dec 2013 #149

At this point, the only such person on the horizon customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #181

WHAT? Who the hell was DiBlasio? Good grief, show us what you don't know! MADem Dec 2013 #202

Fire sale on "Warren for President 2016" banners? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #10

It is not speculation so much as hope for a new non-Corporatist president. djean111 Dec 2013 #13

In 2008 we weren't on the precipice of losing the Senate. pnwmom Dec 2013 #18

2016 would bring in a new Senate class dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #31

We could very well lose the Senate in 2014, which means that pnwmom Dec 2013 #33

The point would be to have Elizabeth Warren as President dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #36

^^ This. Every bit of it. n/t winter is coming Dec 2013 #93

He was a Senator, not a congressman. MADem Dec 2013 #186

This is it exactly. Marrah_G Dec 2013 #209

Now that I know she was a RepubliCon during the Reagan years... polichick Dec 2013 #14

And Hillary was not only a Republican, she was a Goldwater Girl. closeupready Dec 2013 #46

there is a big difference though OKNancy Dec 2013 #50

yes, I'll concede that's true. closeupready Dec 2013 #61

Not according to fact check or Hillary's wiki merrily Dec 2013 #130

She didn't change parties when she got to Yale. Beacool Dec 2013 #150

You have a link to her voter registration record? merrily Dec 2013 #192

As DUer Beacool has told people here many times..... Little Star Dec 2013 #51

Fair enough. closeupready Dec 2013 #60

Hey, I heard my name!!! Beacool Dec 2013 #88

Why yes you did hear your name :) Little Star Dec 2013 #100

Close, but not exactly. Please see links at Reply 130. merrily Dec 2013 #132

There exists a small cadre of political soap opera buffs who seem to be looking for a catfight. MADem Dec 2013 #103

imo we've watched her enough. polichick Dec 2013 #56

But she was a kid in high school, not a mature adult with children. MADem Dec 2013 #80

. Little Star Dec 2013 #102

What if we give her absolutely no choice on this matter? JaneyVee Dec 2013 #19

what are you going to do start stalking her house snooper2 Dec 2013 #22

No, post some more blog messages... brooklynite Dec 2013 #24

lol nt arely staircase Dec 2013 #73

The only "we" she needs to answer to, is her constituency. MADem Dec 2013 #23

Who is this "we", kimosabe? Beacool Dec 2013 #43

Are you gonna tackle her in the hallway and force her to do stand-up interviews for the cable MADem Dec 2013 #106

Again, I still think that we need to focus on 2014 and wait until after the midterms before we worry Gothmog Dec 2013 #25

Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #29

Yes, I am with you - TBF Dec 2013 #30

Fine by me Scootaloo Dec 2013 #32

She used present tense, not future dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #34

I'm not sure how she could be more plain. Orsino Dec 2013 #85

Great! President Sanders could use a VP. nt raouldukelives Dec 2013 #39

This won't be enough for some. longship Dec 2013 #40

She's in Teddy's seat and she will become another Lion of the Senate, or "Lioness" in this case. Beacool Dec 2013 #42

Indeed! longship Dec 2013 #44

And I will drink it. Beacool Dec 2013 #45

Oh boy, this is going to go down hard in some quarters. Beacool Dec 2013 #41

well who else is there now? madrchsod Dec 2013 #52

Bernie Sanders? pam4water Dec 2013 #63

I think it best I blue14u Dec 2013 #53

I really like Senator Warren madokie Dec 2013 #57

NnnnnoooooooooOOOOOOo....... pam4water Dec 2013 #62

Guess it's Sanders/warren the:) grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #74

Maybe Hillary was throwing her voice like a ventriloquist? BootinUp Dec 2013 #77

Okay I take her at her word workinclasszero Dec 2013 #81

That's the right attitude! Winning is important. OKNancy Dec 2013 #82

heard that before, will she be held accountable for changing her mind? reddread Dec 2013 #86

Was Obama held accountable for changing his mind? merrily Dec 2013 #118

Obama didn't say it forcefully, over a dozen times. MADem Dec 2013 #123

I dont think you want to count Obama's broken promises reddread Dec 2013 #125

Oh, gee, another gratuitous "Waaaah, Obama sux" comment on a Democratic discussion board... MADem Dec 2013 #126

i love modulation, and modulars, you should hear the sounds im hearing right now reddread Dec 2013 #127

I can't get inside your head and don't really care to so do. MADem Dec 2013 #128

Hate to club you over the head with reality, but heres some breaking info reddread Dec 2013 #135

How charming--violent imagery! Yes, that's the way to convince people! MADem Dec 2013 #136

you really beat around the bush, or miss the mark, which is it? reddread Dec 2013 #137

Hey, I'm not the one that insinuated that the POTUS was a MADem Dec 2013 #138

good for laughs anyway reddread Dec 2013 #140

I'm not laughing--and that's weak sauce you're dishing up. MADem Dec 2013 #142

He did say it a number of times. merrily Dec 2013 #129

Did he PLEDGE to finish out his term? Did he say "Five words--no, no, no, no, no!" and then MADem Dec 2013 #133

He said no often. merrily Dec 2013 #134

Well, we have a little local TV program on WCVB here in the Bay State that no one outside the MADem Dec 2013 #139

"I am not running for president in four years. I am not running for president in 2008." NoOneMan Dec 2013 #156

"I am not" is not a Sherman statement. MADem Dec 2013 #160

Sure. Whatever. NoOneMan Dec 2013 #163

I know who, absent ill health, will be running. nt MADem Dec 2013 #164

No you don't NoOneMan Dec 2013 #165

Yeah, I do--and if you think about it in a pragmatic and non-emotional way, you do, too. MADem Dec 2013 #167

Ok, so HRC is your fantasy pick NoOneMan Dec 2013 #168

Not a "fantasy"--for the reasons I outlined. MADem Dec 2013 #169

we need her in the senate Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #104

No we don't. We need EW in the White House and ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #206

This is one Christmas wish that you will not receive. Beacool Dec 2013 #208

Just an observation to those who say she should/might/will change her mind... brooklynite Dec 2013 #141

That just makes me want her to run more libodem Dec 2013 #151

Good. We don't need her taking votes away from the main candidate. Pterodactyl Dec 2013 #153

Unless she was the main candidate as determined by a primary NoOneMan Dec 2013 #158

Well, technically, you're right. But we all know how it will go down. Pterodactyl Dec 2013 #188

Like 2008? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #189

That was a one time fluke. The establishment will be back in charge this time. Pterodactyl Dec 2013 #190

Would have been nice.... MFM008 Dec 2013 #176

This thread is still going on? Beacool Dec 2013 #179

Oh geez, don't go there ... MADem Dec 2013 #200

Yes, I remember. Beacool Dec 2013 #201

C'mon kids! If you all clap REAL LOUD..... brooklynite Dec 2013 #205

Nothing Warren says or doesn't say, does or does not do - will engender any more enthusiasm djean111 Dec 2013 #210

Good. We need a nice simple primary to get the real candidate in there. Pterodactyl Dec 2013 #211