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15. "If it is because of nature, how can you punish them?" Are you arguing for absolute arnarchy?

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:00 PM

Dec 2011

Should there be no consequence because the perpetrator is, arguably, not responsible for their behavior?

"If it is because of nurture, you can redeem them." Am I wrong in my understanding of human development, that neurological pathways develop early in life; miss the window, miss the opportunity to create those pathways?

I truly am not concerned for punishment. I don't see the point of it, except as is pertinent to deterrence. I do think we need to protect society from those who have proven themselves dangerous to others. I don't know of a way to accomplish that except by imprisonment. I would be open to ideas that don't include killing. I don't think the state should be in the business of killing.

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Teen gets 21 years in prison for killing gay classmate [View all] Blue_Tires Dec 2011 OP

Wow. Gee, sure hope that hatred was worth it. HughBeaumont Dec 2011 #1

I wonder how much of his hate was learnt from home Blue_Tires Dec 2011 #2

A lot of it. I live in Oxnard and.... arbusto_baboso Dec 2011 #26

Thanks for the insight... Blue_Tires Dec 2011 #29

Ugh. The kid was doomed then. tblue Dec 2011 #32

What is truly sad about this Versailles Dec 2011 #3

Could go another way. hang a left Dec 2011 #4

Just out of curiosity, enlightenment Dec 2011 #5

Because he was 14 at the time of the crime. hang a left Dec 2011 #19

His hatred of gay will make it very prominent in his life Mr. Sinister Dec 2011 #6

'Prison rape' is not the same as 'gay sex' Cal Carpenter Dec 2011 #7

of course Mr. Sinister Dec 2011 #10

Contrary to common snickering ignorance, prison is not one running rape-orgy Bucky Dec 2011 #27

I wasn't trying to laugh at this misguided child's misfortune Mr. Sinister Dec 2011 #33

And to reiterate my previous point Mr. Sinister Dec 2011 #34

There have been quite a few prison rape jokes on DU over the yrs and most posters don't like them uppityperson Dec 2011 #37

Thank you for asking instead of assuming Mr. Sinister Dec 2011 #38

Why should a 14 year old serve 17 years in prison? joeglow3 Dec 2011 #8

because he killed another kid on purpose and was old enough to know that isn't ok JI7 Dec 2011 #9

What age is that line crossed? joeglow3 Dec 2011 #14

i don't know, but once in the teens for sure JI7 Dec 2011 #17

So, death penalty for a 13 year old is no worse than for a 30 year old? joeglow3 Dec 2011 #18

i don't support the death penalty, i'm talking life in prison or more years . at the very least the JI7 Dec 2011 #20

There's a deep schism among Democrats as to the purpose of prison. Xithras Dec 2011 #11

A question for you. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #12

Question for you joeglow3 Dec 2011 #13

"If it is because of nature, how can you punish them?" Are you arguing for absolute arnarchy? LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #15

A third purpose of incarceration thucythucy Dec 2011 #16

We could kind of tell which side you were on when you used words like 'narrower view', 'merely Shoe Horn Dec 2011 #23

Interesting distinction Bucky Dec 2011 #30

I notice not one word about the murdered victim or his survivors.. MicaelS Dec 2011 #35

It's usually the right that claims that if you empathize with an offender EFerrari Dec 2011 #39

Because sentencing is not all about the criminal, it's also about the victim's sense of justice... Shoe Horn Dec 2011 #22

Actually, 17 is pretty light for premeditated murder Blue_Tires Dec 2011 #24

unless... Bucky Dec 2011 #31

There's a reason we have separate juvenile and adult justice systems mainer Dec 2011 #25

agree. There is a reason why we have age of consent laws for sex. There is a reason why a 14-y/o Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #28

Only 21 years ? n/t UndertheOcean Dec 2011 #21

How pathetic. mactime Dec 2011 #36