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92. Hersh's piece is dishonest in several ways.

Mon Dec 9, 2013, 01:26 AM

Dec 2013

1) He ignores the available evidence out there that DOES point directly at the regime--namely the type of missiles used to deliver it and also the positions from which those missiles had been fired;

2) He assumes that Obama is some kind of monster who wants war at any cost and was never interested in a diplomatic resolution, and even suggests/claims that Obama allowed a diplomatic effort because (a) Obama knew his 'lie' about the gas would be revealed and (b) Vladimir Putin was the hero of diplomacy who saved the day.

Hersh is the same crackpot who's been claiming war with Iran has been imminent since 2004. As in, every year he had a new report about how war with Iran was imminent.

Back in Obama's first term, he was claiming that Obama was dead set on a war with Iran.

About as reliable as theblaze.com

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Hersh - Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2013 #1

Here's a direct link to the Hersh piece. I haven't read it yet; doing so now. arcane1 Dec 2013 #3

Hersh is usually right? LMFAO!!! Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #9

R-i-i-i-i-ght.... Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2013 #12

The BIG difference, if this is true, is that bush started a war, Obama didn't!!!! George II Dec 2013 #14

Oh Libya wasn't a war? The Afghanistan surge wasn't a war? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #16

We're talking about SYRIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! George II Dec 2013 #19

He didn't because he couldn't. It would have been obvious that he started a war only because he was Ace Acme Dec 2013 #26

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Never been there, sorry. Put in a lot of time fighting them elsewhere during the Bush years. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #35

don't you mean illegally invading olddad56 Dec 2013 #46

However if it was not clear that Assad used CW, then it is not clear he crossed the red line karynnj Dec 2013 #55

What? TiberiusB Dec 2013 #95

nice analysis...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #100

Obama's position on international law was made clear on his third day in office Ace Acme Dec 2013 #173

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #118

there's Bill Clinton to thanks for that 'wuss' thing... Whisp Dec 2013 #187

Obama did not start Libya or Afghanistan. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #49

He started our involvement in Libya and escalated our involvement in Afghanistan. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #86

That is true. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #87

Yup, I remember those thousands of dead Americans in Libya... bobclark86 Dec 2013 #88

Oh I see. If no Americans die, it's not a war. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #89

"Technically" it was a NATO adventure. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #101

Obama cares a great deal about Syria, for no other reason than it implicates the entire geek tragedy Dec 2013 #151

What does your rant have to do with the subject? gholtron Dec 2013 #155

It wasn't hard to be correct during the Bush years Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #32

Do you know that his information wasn't correct? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #24

I don't even need to go back to his Iran attack allegations. Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #39

An Obama Administration Hater? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #48

Truth hurts, eh? Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #54

No, I think the truth is great. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #59

You don't have a clue Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #64

Where did I say I agreed with his article or conclusions? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #65

Now you're gonna play coy and pretend like the article didn't stimulate you? Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #67

Go back and read my post. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #68

The UN report pointed the finger at Assad and they had substantial evidence Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #70

Assad? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #71

Don't worry...the attack on Iran is imminent still!!!1(one)!!1 Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #73

Jesus fuck. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #74

I know you didn't say it. Hersh has been saying it for years Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #76

"stimulated and coy?" Hissyspit Dec 2013 #83

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Bullshit. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #85

No, the U.N. report does not point the finger at anyone. TiberiusB Dec 2013 #97

Indeed their mandate was not to assign blame...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #104

Excuse me.. but do you honestly believe that Iran wasn't on Bush's hit list? 2banon Dec 2013 #96

Nice Try billhicks76 Dec 2013 #107

plus one questionseverything Dec 2013 #159

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #158

Interesting. Seymour Hersh isn't one to bullshit. Autumn Dec 2013 #2

The Yahoo article doesn't report the full article... ReRe Dec 2013 #21

Thanks ReRe, reading it now. Autumn Dec 2013 #31

Results are what matters in this case and Obama did the smart thing. 4bucksagallon Dec 2013 #4

+1 BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #6

I believe they already have been dismantled, or are in the process of being destroyed George II Dec 2013 #20

None have been destroyed. former9thward Dec 2013 #152

So you are saying the end justifies the means? Wow. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #52

Interesting write-up about Hersh... DonViejo Dec 2013 #5

This part really surprised me. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #7

I have very mixed emotions about Hersh... DonViejo Dec 2013 #10

I'm right there with you, DonViejo. I don't know what to think of Sy Hersh as BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #43

I find Huffington Post's involvement here to be at least a wee bit DonViejo Dec 2013 #50

Arianna Huffington and AOL are both pro-Republican/Libertarian. At the moment, HuffPo BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #121

Yep, Arianna has been... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #123

More evidence that he's gone off the deep end and is not believable. George II Dec 2013 #23

Yeah, Hersh sure likes to throw out that everyone's lying but him. Cha Dec 2013 #62

I know, Cha. BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #122

He and Alex Jones agree, then. The next paragraph on the Wikipedia page is Bircher offal: freshwest Dec 2013 #105

I wouldn't have expected anything else. al_liberal Dec 2013 #8

According to a Rolling Stone article in 2009 Ace Acme Dec 2013 #22

You must not have read the article, then. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #57

Which is why we're now in an endless Iraq style war in Syria I suppose. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #117

Yet ANOTHER anti-Obama post on "Democratic" Underground!!!!!! George II Dec 2013 #11

listen to what The Man said reddread Dec 2013 #15

You can allege anything you want. But you're a mouldering monarch and Hersh is a journalist. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #25

Yes, we know. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #30

So it's perfectly acceptable to post something whose veracitiy is quesionable.... George II Dec 2013 #124

The source makes it relevant news. -nt Bradical79 Dec 2013 #184

BBC - "France: Syrian government 'behind chemical attack'" TomCADem Dec 2013 #13

Human Rights Watch - "Dispatches: Mapping the Sarin Flight Path" - Points Finger at Syrian Govt TomCADem Dec 2013 #17

Thank you - John 8:32 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" George II Dec 2013 #18

Quoting the bible is sure gonna bolster your go west young man Dec 2013 #80

Sy Hersh Writing about Politicized Intelligence Again, Syria Edition Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #27

The UN report was pretty conclusive, if all the others weren't enough bhikkhu Dec 2013 #28

The charter of the people writing the UN report did NOT include assigning blame karynnj Dec 2013 #61

The evidence was pretty conclusive bhikkhu Dec 2013 #78

I completely agree with you - I was just pointing out that the reason the UN document stopped karynnj Dec 2013 #82

The title of the article is "Whose Sarin" ReRe Dec 2013 #29

He attempts to accuse Obama of lying about the gas attack without saying Obama was incorrect geek tragedy Dec 2013 #91

Hey, look it... ReRe Dec 2013 #120

Fine, but then why did our allies in the region insist that it was Assad? ucrdem Dec 2013 #33

You know what, Americans overall didn't care. Iliyah Dec 2013 #36

I allege Hersh is a whacko and full of shit. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #37

Then you would be wrong wouldn't you. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #58

Benghazi !!!111!!!! freshwest Dec 2013 #38

Basically. ucrdem Dec 2013 #41

ROFL +100 SoapBox Dec 2013 #42

All right, if you wanna be that way, take this! freshwest Dec 2013 #47

Ohhhhhhhhh... SoapBox Dec 2013 #66

Are we supposed to know and trust the "London Review of Books"? SoapBox Dec 2013 #40

It's a pity that you don't know it. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #51

OK... SoapBox Dec 2013 #60

They put up a variety of worthwhile articles on international affairs, occasionally muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #110

Shemp's rule of thumb Shemp Howard Dec 2013 #44

I read through the whole thing, found it hard to follow. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #45

I went back and re-read that last paragraph. SoapBox Dec 2013 #53

But other countries also said al-Assad was responsible... Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #56

We're destroying the chem weapons. Who doubts, at this point, that Assad was responsible? TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #63

Possibly they were. Shemp Howard Dec 2013 #75

And me. But nobody paid any mind to me. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #81

Oh bullshit. LOTS of us disagreed with Bush's claims of WMDs. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #138

The swooners will have a fit over this because they don't actually read the piece PSPS Dec 2013 #69

Hersh's piece is dishonest in several ways. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #92

One of the best blogs out there on this subject. go west young man Dec 2013 #98

Ya...that looks reliable Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #109

I guess David Duke was unavailable for comment. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #116

Many DU'ers have seen how you guys operate in a "team" go west young man Dec 2013 #129

You praised a far rightwing bigot and professional liar to support your conspiracy theory geek tragedy Dec 2013 #134

Your problem is you think everyone who criticizes anything the US does go west young man Dec 2013 #142

As I said, people like you who get their news from sources that claim geek tragedy Dec 2013 #145

I didn't double down. go west young man Dec 2013 #163

Yes, you acted like refusing to watch videos from a fraudulent racist website geek tragedy Dec 2013 #171

Finally you admit they are "head choppers" go west young man Dec 2013 #186

"I'll take advice on credibility from you as quickly as I'll take marksmanship lessons from Dick Ch" Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #161

Here come the usual circle jerk. go west young man Dec 2013 #172

From my "circle jerk" to yours, say hi to Dick Cheney for me! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #179

I've observed this gang-flaming as well. n/t cosmicone Jan 2014 #191

Walid Shoebat is a con-man - probably the most unreliable person on the Middle East muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #111

You just cited the equivalent of Stormfront geek tragedy Dec 2013 #113

I'm not believing everything he writes. go west young man Dec 2013 #125

You vouched for the guy. Videos are worthless without authentication and context. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #126

Of course you don't watch them. go west young man Dec 2013 #127

The fifth time you lie and say that I, and the President, wanted to support Al Qaeda in geek tragedy Dec 2013 #135

Janes Defense Weekly says otherwise. go west young man Dec 2013 #144

Yes, you are the liar by saying that I support Al Qaeda in Syria. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #148

Let me get this straight.... go west young man Dec 2013 #164

Maybe you should read your own links. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #178

Here's a few things directly from Janes you won't have to cast off as right wing tripe. go west young man Dec 2013 #181

That makes six times you've lied and stated I want to arm members geek tragedy Dec 2013 #183

Couldn't help but notice you fail go west young man Dec 2013 #185

One other thing..if you go through all my posts to you above go west young man Dec 2013 #188

I remember "the who did it" being discussed here at the time. Hersch isn't giving us notadmblnd Dec 2013 #182

Hersch has been right about many things; all in all, snot Dec 2013 #72

Of course they lied. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #77

So you're one of those who believe Assad and Putin are telling the truth geek tragedy Dec 2013 #93

Yeah, I suppose. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #112

You have your feelings, HRW and the UN have facts. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #115

Sure they do. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #162

Ah, the good old "everyone who disagrees with me is part of a conspiracy' rejoinder nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #167

Not necessarily. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #170

I agree on that. Especially w/r/t Iran nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #176

Nobody pays attention to Sy Hersh anymore is what this is all about BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #79

Hersh has gone the way of Bob Woodward, desperately trying to make himself relevant. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #90

Russia did turn things around TiberiusB Dec 2013 #102

Except all evidence points towards Obama being geek tragedy Dec 2013 #114

Russia did not do that utilaterally and was UNINTERESTED even a few months before karynnj Dec 2013 #132

Sweet little lies blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #94

Al-Nusra agentS Dec 2013 #99

Al-Nusra may be extreme, but that's not the same as insane...sometimes TiberiusB Dec 2013 #106

Israel seems to be reasonably happy with Assad (and less happy with the jihadists) agentS Dec 2013 #108

*yawn* ZRT2209 Dec 2013 #103

+1 nolabels Dec 2013 #128

Whose sarin ? dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #119

Dispy you know the staunch Obama defenders don't want to see that. go west young man Dec 2013 #130

They are Democrats before they are human beings. Mysterysouppe Dec 2013 #131

No, you're just incapable of disagreeing with people without dehumanizing them. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #136

Look at me dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #133

Obama was right, it was the regime. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #137

Your source is Human Rights Watch? Mysterysouppe Dec 2013 #139

Their source is Human Rights Watch until it's not Human Rights Watch. go west young man Dec 2013 #141

To be fair, any organization is going to have both successes and failures Maedhros Dec 2013 #153

Just to be clear, HRW is anything but uncritically supportive of the President geek tragedy Dec 2013 #160

Agreed. go west young man Dec 2013 #165

You can tell who is reasonable and knowlegeable and who is simply a shill Maedhros Dec 2013 #180

Funny, no one asked me about the Georgian conflict. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #157

Shoebat and the UN agreed on the Georgian Conflict. go west young man Dec 2013 #166

Still not giving a shit what Shoebat has to say about anything. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #177

Along with every single other credible source/organization. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #143

This must be great news for any future inciters of war. go west young man Dec 2013 #146

"all you have to do is get similar weaponry and fire it from the right azimuth" geek tragedy Dec 2013 #149

And yet the Syrian rebels go west young man Dec 2013 #168

Only in a childish fantasy influenced by Hollywood would they be able to do so. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #174

Proof from Janes that the rebels have the same launchers. go west young man Dec 2013 #189

We're not going to war in Syria. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #140

Thanks to the British and American people. Mysterysouppe Dec 2013 #147

Oh bullshit, peddle your ODS lies somewhere else. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #150

Unwarranted slur and personal attack. Mysterysouppe Dec 2013 #154

Hypocrisy much? geek tragedy Dec 2013 #156

Don't worry. go west young man Dec 2013 #169

People interested in intelligent debate do not cite Shoebat.com as "one of the better blogs" geek tragedy Dec 2013 #175

Good for Hersh cosmicone Jan 2014 #190

So since the European Union agreed it Assad was responsible for the gas attack as well Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #192

Only France did cosmicone Jan 2014 #193